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  • Save the Environment Party (STEP) or The Green Party (GP)

    Just out of the pod and I am starting a political party already. I may be a founder but I don't care to be leader.
    I looked thru all ( or as many as are left) political manifestos and political policies I could find. Most all tag green issues on at the end game (some green creditionals that). Where is the commitment to the planet in pursuing policies that leads to the mass slaughter of native plant life and undertaking policies that raise sea levels multifold and then spending fortunes on technology and research to put down put down rebellious native lifeforms. Are we aiming for happy oceanworld. The game may end in peace but what sort of planet will you pass on to your children and grandchildren

    I would suggest that we need a political party that gives due respect to native lifeforms from the outset and pursues policies to preserve as much native flora and fauna as is out there.

    I popped into the Rec. Commons when I arrived and I find a menu almost totally, maybe totally made up of Mind worms and Sealurks dishes. I have no problem with people eating dead worm bodies ( I enjoy my Wormburgers as well as the next man/woman) if they died naturally or were killed in battle but to capture these innocent species and breed them for the dinner plate reminds me of those earth practices ( long ago) that led to the near demise of the whales and buffalo. Let us not repeat the same mistakes in heaven as we did on Earth. The Settler and the Mind Worm can be friends.

    I realise in the early turns we need to be cautious- there are still a few bad worm eggs out there, I know that, and also that we may need convert the odd fungus patch or two. But I think if we plan carefully we can win the native folk to our side from early on. (I love the sound of locusts in the morning).

    Don't rush in to vaporise the native life or destroy fungus if there are reasonable environmentally friendly alternatives but which may take a little longer in the short term..There are some within the faction who see our native lifeforms as just a cheap form of energy. Don't develop Boreholes, willy nilly, in their reservations if a bunch of solar collectors or odd echelon mirror can do the trick just as well

    Certainly Deirdre would make a fine pact partner (know what I mean) and could teach us a thing or two although we may have to differ from time to time.

    In the end, for our party, the most important thing is not just following a 'peace at any costs' agenda but having the vision and conviction to achieve the goal of harmonious co-existence with every life form on the planet.

    So our political position would be to push the green agenda much more from the outset and preferably within a peaceful and democratic polity.

    So there you have it, the initial thoughts. There is much work to be done, many policies and horns of dilemmas to sort (Would you let an Isle of the Deep bear your children?).

    This is a young party, an evolutionary party, come an join us, help choose our motto eg 'A giant STEP for Wormkind', help decide policy, you could go far, even Leader.

    I hope you will interested and if so:
    Respond to this Thread BOX or meet me for an Isle of the Deep single malt in the Rec. Commons.
    On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

  • #2
    Oh bloody oath, not another treehugging leftie party. Get a reality cheque and learn how the progress of a Free Market reduces the Eco Damage we do in the long term while increasing our production ability in the present.
    Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos

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    • #3
      I popped into the Rec. Commons when I arrived and I find a menu almost totally, maybe totally made up of Mind worms and Sealurks dishes. I have no problem with people eating dead worm bodies ( I enjoy my Wormburgers as well as the next man/woman) if they died naturally or were killed in battle but to capture these innocent species and breed them for the dinner plate reminds me of those earth practices ( long ago) that led to the near demise of the whales and buffalo.
      May I remind you that the whales and buffalo were not bred for food, but hunted in the wild. There is no danger of causing extinction to native life forms if we breed them for food or energy.

      I realise in the early turns we need to be cautious- there are still a few bad worm eggs out there, I know that, and also that we may need convert the odd fungus patch or two. But I think if we plan carefully we can win the native folk to our side from early on. (I love the sound of locusts in the morning).
      Rather more than a few - we have yet to encounter a single worm that has failed to be actively hostile. In addition, the fungus is a great impediment to travel and resource gathering, and should be eliminated wherever necessary.

      Don't rush in to vaporise the native life or destroy fungus if there are reasonable environmentally friendly alternatives but which may take a little longer in the short term..
      The worms don't care how ecologically friendly we are - they will attack us anyway. While the fungus may become useful later, it is at present an irritant to be minimized.

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      • #4
        At least terran woods are halfway useful. Not as useful as boreholes and mines, though!
        "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
        "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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        • #5
          Re: Save the Environment Party (STEP) or The Green Party (GP)

          Originally posted by Hercules
          I realise in the early turns we need to be cautious- there are still a few bad worm eggs out there, I know that, and also that we may need convert the odd fungus patch or two. But I think if we plan carefully we can win the native folk to our side from early on. (I love the sound of locusts in the morning).
          Being the Director of Terraforming and Colonization, I am very interested by the views you can have on this question. Until now, I go for a melt ecology, between the native flora of planet and the plantations we brought ourselves. It seems that these trees could easily be planted on Planet.
          It seems as well, that trees are, ecologically, a benefit for Planet.*

          In the end, for our party, the most important thing is not just following a 'peace at any costs' agenda but having the vision and conviction to achieve the goal of harmonious co-existence with every life form on the planet.

          So our political position would be to push the green agenda much more from the outset and preferably within a peaceful and democratic polity.
          I am glad to find some people who share the same vision about this important question.

          I hope you will interested and if so:
          Respond to this Thread BOX or meet me for an Isle of the Deep single malt in the Rec. Commons.
          Lady Deirdre gave me some blend

          *. Since your a newbie/settler here, I thought this link could help you knowing more about ecodamage.
          "Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean there's not someone following me..."
          "I shall return and I shall be billions"

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          • #6
            Re: Save the Environment Party (STEP) or The Green Party (GP)

            Political parties
            Eventis is the only refuge of the spammer. Join us now.
            Long live teh paranoia smiley!

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            • #7
              Political parties
              This seems a strange sentiment, considering that you are a member of the largest party in the game at the moment...
              Last edited by GeneralTacticus; September 19, 2002, 06:52.

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              • #8
                No, he quit. Apparently.
                Veni Vidi Castravi Illegitimos

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                • #9
                  I am going to wait until I receive further replies before I comment overall on the feed back so far. Thank you those who have done so already I appreciate your advice. However there is one comment I cannot leave unchallenged and that 's from Archaic. (btw how do you get colour into these posts).
                  Quote:
                  'not another treehugging leftie party'

                  Treehugging yes (except cactii), but 'leftie', not intrinsically. This party (I would propose) would advance beyond the old world left-centre-right one dimensional political axis. On some occasions, I imagine, we'll seem to take a left view and others no. Afterall I don't think you could claim that all those countries who signed up to Kyoto are all left wing. Is Al Gore, whereever he is now, a 'leftie'.

                  Anyhow I am replying to make sure this party is not Pigeonholed as 'leftie' that easily . Also note that while we would have much in common with Deirdre's outlook I have not proposed a simple replica of that factions views.

                  I for one, also like luxuries and what better fun than out with the Garrison crew, a couple of Talents and some Drones if they're up for it, stalking through the old Xfungus for the annual Chiron Locust cull. (That's another reason why I love the sound of Loucusts in the morning).

                  As a party we'll not shirk our responsiblilities to our fellow faction companions in times of need but neither will we ignore the downside effects of global capitalism if it strays (as it tends to) from the 'true' principles of the Free Market.

                  Not only do we need 'Cheques' we also need balances. *Long graceful bow to much applause* and exits
                  On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                  • #10
                    So, let's get this straight, you want more Kyoto-treaty style deals? That's the party goal?
                    "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
                    "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: Save the Environment Party (STEP) or The Green Party (GP)

                      Originally posted by Tassadar5000
                      Political parties
                      That makes three of us.

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                      • #12
                        To Pandamoniak: Thanks for the link. Very interesting article. Much to commend that approach when we're getting near that stage of the game, provided most things are in place and we're not in the midst of global nuclear war. However I would hope that by that stage too that our party will have attracted some of the best talent on the planet (and there seems a fair few intellectuals out there still uncommitted at this stage) to argue the Environmental case.

                        To Moomin: The ultimate aim is to secure a healthy, stable eco system on the planet. If Kyoto type treaties move that forward, fine. But a lot more research is needed on oceans, deep sea currants and native life. I mean who knows maybe gases associated with worms , IODs and Locusts rather than being 100% recycled, leak a significant % into the higher atmosphere to cause long term damage. In such a scenario the party might have to revise it policy and attitude to native life.

                        Similarly, on first look, I quite like Pande's 'melt' approach with the introduction of trees, but who knows the long term consequences. To return to the point , if Kyoto style treaties genuinely improve the situation, great: if a couple of surgical strike planet busters on a major polluter get us there quicker, there's a case for that course of action.

                        We'd need a discussion on boreholes perhaps nothing much wrong with them in themselves but boy can they stir up some angry natives.

                        Thanks for your contributions but I must remind myself I want to be the catylist for this party not its leader and chief policy maker: maybe a small statue in the main square of Bloomsville would be modest recognition.
                        On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                        • #13
                          Sorry I have been absent from the desk. Been out getting a better feel for the planet. And of course since I was last back here our faction has grown,(though there appears to be a serial killer about trying to reduce numbers.) but this party hasn't grown partly due to lack of exposure/publicity.


                          On environmental progress
                          There seems to be less aggro from our poor misunderstood native life and our faction has managed to leave wonderful patches of defensive fungus around.So better attitude than in the early nervey days. That doesn't stop people enjoying their company (native, dead alas) in the recreational commons.

                          There is one point though worth mentioning. There seems to be too many polls springing up: official and unofficial.They are crowding out more diverting deliberations. We accept there is a need for Polls but can they not all be forwarded to a poll directory/folder after the initial announcement. I feel the citizens ( especially the new ones ) are getting Pollaxed.
                          Last edited by Hercules; October 9, 2002, 10:33.
                          On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                          • #14
                            After I have filed a preliminary report on the son of Tac, sorry Tactical Marine murder I 'll start the recruitment exercise in full.

                            On the criteria for party leader, it would now seem that a secret four year affair with a party colleague is mandatory in order to give the party a 'now' image: least that's what our Spin people are saying.

                            Not enhaling marifungus is passe
                            Last edited by Hercules; October 9, 2002, 10:47.
                            On the ISDG 2012 team at the heart of CiviLIZation

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                            • #15
                              I agree with almost all your aims, we should consider ecological reasons in all our decisions, and a highgreen rating does wonders for stopping worm rape and (more importantly) creating a large native army without having to build a single unit
                              They will all bow to our will!!

                              oh no... I've said too much!

                              I also agree with the ultimate aim being "to secure a healthy, stable eco system" however i think fungus is, generally, a nuisance and should be replaced by trees in most cases.

                              I think the growth from planned econ is more important at the begining of the game, but that later on, we should switch to green.

                              To Archaic: "The progress of a Free Market reduces the Eco Damage we do in the long term" - Do you really believe that? Free Market, both in real life and in SMAC damages the environment. You just have to look at the large negative Planet rating it brings to see its effect. If we go to FM, we will be slaughtered everytime we get a fungus pop, which is obviously more likely with a bad Planet rating. FM may bring great technological and monetary advatages, but the expense it just too great. We can't go to war with FM, we can't produce anything like as much (otherwise we get fungus growth). There may be some instances where FM is better ion the game, but even then the negative effects would hinder us greatly.

                              rant over
                              Smile
                              For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                              But he would think of something

                              "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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