Chiron Democratic Coalition

[Maniac]

Without that principle, parties can still:

-- discuss issues and come to a reasoned consensus
-- draw together people of similar minds on the issues
-- rally support for the issues on which they do agree
-- foster debate on the subjects on which they don't agree
-- endorse candidates, whether or not all members agree with the candidate on every issue.

I fully agree with the first and fourth point (and all the others of course). That's what I meant to say in my previous post. Surely I do not expect all P4 members to say and vote the same. I even believe there has been no issue where we all agreed on since the game started.

PS: just nitpicking. IIRC you decided with a 2/3 majority to join the CDC. I should reread your thread to be sure.

[FlameFlash]

The joining to CDC 2/3 was due to the fact that GT was on vacation and couldn't be contacted for comment... had he disagreed we would have come to other conclusions.

[AdamTG02]

As a clarification, I closed the voting on that issue when a majority of the members (2 of 3) had voted. Since we then had a majority of the party who wanted to join the CDC, that was what we did.

On this vote, I've specifically said that the polls are open until everyone has voted, or four (later extended to five) days have passed. The reason is that, rather than being purely a party decision, this is to a large extent an individual decision -- as each member will have the choice not to join the 3D, if the merger goes forward. For that reason, I don't want to announce a conclusion until everone has had the opportunity to say his piece. (Sorry for the gender-biased pronoun, but there are no women in the EDP, sadly enough.)

[DeathByTheSword]

btw i like the name 3D IF it all goes as we want to i propose to keep that name

[Voltaire]

I’m away for a while and everything starts falling apart.

Seeing as I started the CDC I thought it best to give my input on the issue of the EDP leaving the CDC and joining the P4 to form a larger political party.

Well first of all, if the majority of the EDP vote to join the P4, it is their decision and though I may not agree with it nevertheless I would respect it. But as I recall when this all started out and I got the CDC up and running the P4, as well as some other members of the CDC, had concerns that this large coalition would lead to a two party system. The P4 in effect is trying to do that just now with this proposal; but seeing the current political climate this isn’t too bad of a move on their part (I’ll give them credit for that).

But I believe the political/economic stance of the EDP is must closer in line with the members of the CDC, and aside from this IMO by remaining in the Coalition the EDP keeps it’s independence while still having a large political support base.

That’s my two-cents, for now.

[Method]

Originally posted by Voltaire
But as I recall when this all started out and I got the CDC up and running the P4, as well as some other members of the CDC, had concerns that this large coalition would lead to a two party system. The P4 in effect is trying to do that just now with this proposal

that's not entirely true. if we wanted to create a 2 party system for some reason (don't know why) we'd just join ACE or CDC. it sure would be a lot easier, wouldn't it?

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by TKG


that's not entirely true. if we wanted to create a 2 party system for some reason (don't know why) we'd just join ACE or CDC. it sure would be a lot easier, wouldn't it?

Lol, the CDC and ACE are coalitions composed of independent parties, what you are trying to do now is create an actual party who’d by itself be the most powerful.

[Method]

but not more powerful than the coalitions (we have 2 inactive members). also keep in mind that EDP wouldn't be joining the P4, they'd be joining with the P4

besides, what's wrong with being the most powerful?

of course

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by TKG
but not more powerful than the coalitions (we have 2 inactive members). also keep in mind that EDP wouldn't be joining the P4, they'd be joining with the P4

besides, what's wrong with being the most powerful?

of course

Joining the P4, joining with the P4, what’s the difference when they’d be the minority in the party and the P4 would get their way with policy.

There’s nothing wrong with being the most powerful, but that was MY idea you’re stealing it.

[Method]

Originally posted by Voltaire
Joining the P4, joining with the P4, what’s the difference when they’d be the minority in the party and the P4 would get their way with policy

that's not true! this isn't a coalition, they'd be joining in a party. therefore, their votes on policy would have equal weight as everyone else's! the new party wouldn't be P4 or EDP, it would be something new. perhaps that's the part you don't understand. P4 isn't stealing power. in fact if this merger takes place, P4 won't even exist anymore!

so you'll have to find someone new to blame for everything that goes wrong in this game

/me stares at tassadar5000





*don't take that too seriously please*

[AdamTG02]

I hope that I speak for all members of the EDP when I say that power is not the issue. This proposal was brought up because FlameFlash and TKG were finding a lot of common ground on the issues in their discussions, and they thought our parties shared a great deal in common.

The proposal is being voted on, but nothing is certain. The most recent posts in the EDP thread show one member leaning in favor, one member leaning against, and one member who hasn't really taken a public opinion on the topic. So it could really go either way. The vote is open until Sunday, and very likely we'll take a while to decide.

As the CDC members have a vested interest in the outcome of the election (as if it goes through the CDC will lose three members), feel free to make your views known. We'll take them into account. But obviously, we'll also take the P4's views into account.

[The Bloody Baro]

Whos' not to say that the EDP isn't taking over the EDP? Come on guys. Really if the EDP does join [and their still not completely sure on that] then if they don't like it they can break away.

[Method]

Originally posted by AdamTG02
I hope that I speak for all members of the EDP when I say that power is not the issue.

i agree.

[Pandemoniak]

Originally posted by Archaic
[ threadjack ]

So Pandemoniak ignoring what the people voted for and instead making an arbitary decision was nitpicking?

Perhaps we should be asking if it's a coincidence that the members of a supposedly democratic alliance have made decisions undemocratically.

Where was that poll ? The only poll about my directorate said people want to settle EAST. Unfortunetaly, DE move the pod NW before I could post the result of the poll. I had to make a fast decision before we reach the deadline for the second turn(2107-2112), so I made a fast decision. Until DE precise the deadlines in which he wants the directors orders, I wont be able to organize any debate, nor any poll.

Now, I am waiting for your apologies.

[Archaic]

Thank you for proving my point. DE moved the pod in a direction completly different from where the people had asked for it to be moved. Can DE not even open up a thread and see the results of the poll himself without you posting it up?

His posting deadlines or not in any case is beside the point. As soon as you know the current situation, regardless of if deadlines are announced yet or not, you post the poll/discussion so people can talk about it before the last minute.

If you expect an apology you poor sad hypocrite, then you're going to be having a long wait. I suppose at least the fact that people have now seen how unreliable as a director you are will mean you don't get re-elected.