Announcement

**Pandemoniak** · August 8, 2002, 14:03

Punishment Spheres is a henious invention. It must not be use in any case, since the sanctions done to criminals are far worst than the crimes themselves. I repeat : Punishment Spheres is a henious invention, and I'll do everything in my power to avoid such atrocities.
As a humanist, I stand for the developpement or less radicals countermeasures against criminality. It is an obvious thing that criminality comes from over-exploitation of people and boredom, and thus, if we can provide work, recreation, games, and maintain a decent police for casual incivilness, we will have the best results.

Pandemoniak
in Speech to the CDC

Comment : I am not there talking for the CCCP but for myself, though Im positive all the CCCP members will agree with me that criminals shouldnt be punished but helped.

**Maniac** · August 8, 2002, 14:33

You're too idealistic. Only prevention will not help. There need to be government programs for both prevention and repression.

**Pandemoniak** · August 8, 2002, 14:40

M@ni@c, I dont doubt you support Punishment Spheres. It sounds really according to your ideology. But the thing is that I was answering a question from inside the CDC, and directed to the CDC. You, neither the P4, are not members of the CDC coalition. Therefore, I thank you for not rushing again in a CDC congress to interrupt us.

Pandemoniak,
in Free Market : the stairway to atrocities

**Method** · August 8, 2002, 14:45

a sphere base would be kept size one and all of our air units at least would be supported there (either by clean reactors or massive crawling of minerals) so as not to create pascifist drones in more productive bases.

what i meant about beelining was that if the CDC supported these social engineering choices as P4 does, i'd be willing to research them as quickly as possible. i also think that industrial automation is an important tech to get early for supple crawlers. an early goal for me and i'm sure many others would be centauri ecology, and i agree 100% on secrets of the human brain. of course, i would hold polls to see if anyone has ideas of where we should go instead (perhaps the ACE wants to get synthetic fossil fuels quickly), or maybe others want a more rounded approach.

this all really isn't important to be discussing now though, elections for director positions wont be held until later.

**Maniac** · August 8, 2002, 15:01

I am sorry Pandemoniak. I did not know conventions of the Democrats were restricted to certain people.

**Method** · August 8, 2002, 15:10

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
M@ni@c, I dont doubt you support Punishment Spheres.

ONE, punishment sphere, ONE in a size 1 base whose citizen is a specialist to prevent growth. while this is something i dont usually practice, it makes sense.

Originally posted by Pandemoniak
It sounds really according to your ideology.

what's that supposed to mean?

**DeathByTheSword** · August 8, 2002, 15:14

Yeah TKG tell them!

**Voltaire** · August 8, 2002, 15:36

Well, I’ve just returned to be greeted by this good news. And I would like to welcome our new allies the members of the EDP.

Also, here’s the updated version of what positions CDC members are running for.

Commissioner: Darkness' Edge (CD)
Alpha Talent: ---
Directory of Terraforming and Colonization: Pandemoniak (CCCP)
Directory of Science and Technology: Voltaire (LSD)
Directorty of Peacekeeping Operations: ---
Directory of Foreign Affairs: Ade (LSD)
Directory of Energy and Industry: ---
Director of Social Engineering: Kassiopeia (LSD)
Director of Exploration and Intelligence: FlameFlash (EDP)

Personally, I support a more balanced research distribution rather than beelining to social engineering techs. My personal priorities are Explore and Discover techs, as well as getting Secrets of the Human Brain early to speed research However, going by any one plan in tech research tends to marginalize those who disagree with the plan. If I become Science Director, I intend to poll before every tech, to give the minority in the last poll the opportunity to form a majority in the next one. (I'm not implying that you wouldn't poll, only that polling before every tech would tend to make long-term plans problematic.)

AdamTG02, I will give you my assurances that I consider both Discovery and Explore technologies to be of immense importance, more so than even Conquer and Build, I will therefore if elected Director of Science and Technology be most adamant in my push for research in those sectors; but I will try to balance this with what technologies would be most suitable depending on the situation, and I will of course welcome suggestions from anyone on the matter. As for polling before every tech, I agree that it would make long term planning difficult but I would still like to have the opinions of the public at hand before making a decision when possible, though of course the final decision will be made by the Commissioner and I will strive to provide him with as much information as possible in order to make his decision as easy as possible.

And seeing as not all positions have been filled perhaps you would consider running for some other directory which also is of great importance to the EDP agenda, and if I may suggest the position of Director of Energy and Industry as it stands is quite powerful and it would do the Coalition well if we had one of our own in the seat.

On another topic, the P4 has said in the party memberlist thread that they favor a single Punishment Sphere, supporting most of our offensive units at that base. Is there a general CDC consensus against Punishment Spheres?

I don’t believe the issue has been discussed by the CDC or any of its member parties, so perhaps now would be a good time to see where the CDC stands on the issue. The P4 idea to have one base with a Punishment Sphere is interesting, but I don’t believe that it will be a requirement seeing as though the CDC does favour running Free Market for a brief period of time, we wish to avoid the ecological damage as well as the low police rating making it more difficult to have an effective military force. And though I do not share the same humanistic attitudes as Pandemoniak, I vote against Punishment Spheres seeing as I do not believe we will find them necessary.

**DeathByTheSword** · August 8, 2002, 15:44

quick questions:

1. is CDC extreme left? or just left, centre or right (or extreme right)

2. i know of some of the joined parties there view on atrocities but what about CDC can you tell me of a place where you intire policy is written (or just what you have) or a quick sum up of real game choises not idiolgy?

**Voltaire** · August 8, 2002, 16:03

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
quick questions:

1. is CDC extreme left? or just left, centre or right (or extreme right)

2. i know of some of the joined parties there view on atrocities but what about CDC can you tell me of a place where you intire policy is written (or just what you have) or a quick sum up of real game choises not idiolgy?

The CDC is left on the political spectrum, though not by design, rather the parties that joined all have some left ideology.

The CDCs policies, seeing as it is a coalition, are dictated by the coalition members. Therefore party policies are in part CDC policies, though the CDC also attempts to work out compromises if there are minute differences on which the parties disagree on. But the parties that have joined the CDC all have almost identical SE preferences, and the same goals. We are all in favor of Democracy and Knowledge as ideal SE choices, there are some differences as to weather we should go either Green or Planned as the ideal SE choice, but I believe that all parties are in agreement that we will use all economic models as some point in the game (however brief), such as Planned early on for the industrial bonus as well as the growth bonus as so on.

As for atrocities, since all member parties are opposed to atrocities the CDC policy is the same.

And this would be a good time to get the official standing of all CDC members (seeing as we’ve just recently received a new one) on economic and future SE choices.

**AdamTG02** · August 8, 2002, 16:20

I've submitted my withdrawal from the Director of Science race. I agree with Academician Voltaire's stated policies and he has my support.

Running for Director of Energy and Industry is a possibility, but organizing the EDP is taking enough of my time as it is, and base production is probably the most time-intensive job of any of the ministers.

Once the school year starts, it may be that I'll have more free time than I expect to. If that's the case, and if I feel the post needs an EDP and CDC voice, then I'll consider running for it. As it is, with FlameFlash running for Exploration and Intelligence, Pandemoniak for Terraforming and Colonization, Voltaire for Science and Technology, and Ade for Foreign Affairs, I feel the EDP point of view is adequately represented. And we'll definitely try to make our presence known on base production polls.

Wishing you all the best of luck. (And just because I didn't mention you doesn't mean I don't support you. Those were just the four that came to mind.)

Edited to include EDP's Social Engineering views: The core philosophy of the EDP is our commitment to exploration and scientific advancement. Within that framework, diverse views on social issues can be had. However, I personally support social provisions that foster growth in the early game (Democratic/Planed), and for the mid and late game favor social engineering that allows funds to be efficiently devoted to research (Democratic/Green/Knowledge, and Eudaimonia for growth and econ when we can get that).

**Voltaire** · August 8, 2002, 16:39

At a total of 10 members, spread across 4 parties, the Chiron Democratic Coalition stands as the strongest political force, followed closely by the Apolytonian Coalition For Expansion (at 6 members) and then by the P4. I feel confidant that we will be able to secure several of the key government positions. Though we mustn’t be too optimistic seeing as the race for Commissioner has been closer than expected, and though our candidate is still in the lead, the opposition is trailing closely behind.

Academician Voltaire;
Excerpt from Semi-Annual Report to the CDC

**Voltaire** · August 8, 2002, 16:58

Currently the CDC candidate is tied for the position of commissioner with the P4 candidate at 9 votes each. And the Fundamentalist Faction is trailing at 8 votes.

**Pandemoniak** · August 8, 2002, 17:07

Originally posted by Voltaire
At a total of 10 members, spread across 4 parties, the Chiron Democratic Coalition stands as the strongest political force, followed closely by the Apolytonian Coalition For Expansion (at 6 members) and then by the P4.
Academician Voltaire;
Excerpt from Semi-Annual Report to the CDC

That will be true if the P4 doesnt ally with the CP (Capitalist Pigs)

OFF GAME : I know I sound very offensive when I talk about "pigs", but this is just in game as you probably noticed.

**Juliennew** · August 8, 2002, 17:20

That will be true if the P4 doesnt ally with the CP

We are already independent and don't plan any alliance or coaltion with the CP nor anyone for the moment.