Chiron Democratic Coalition

[FlameFlash]

What are the goals of this coalition... I may be able to convince my fellow party members that this coalition is a good thing, however I'd first like to know if this coalition has any set goals in mind.

Exploration and Expansion are the EDP ways (knowledge is giving, for as one expands and learns more of the world, one learns more of pure knowledge as well.)

[jdd2007]

edit: never mind. that hurt my eyes anyway...

[jdd2007]

if this keeps up, we will have one mega-coalition with 3 candidates for every position, and ACE, with a few hawks and some muttering fundies, with 1 candidate (for 1 position)

[FlameFlash]

jdd2007... check the EDP thread for my question toward you... I was asking this coalition about what they stand for.

[Voltaire]

Well I’m back so I’ll see if I can answers all your questions.

with the clash for the position of commissioner, what are we gonna do...?

Elections aren’t yet around the corner, so there is time to sort this out. My personally thoughts on this were to agree on the backing of one candidate for commissioner and the others can come to some agreement as to what posts they would desire therefore all the candidates would be assured a position in the government. This process could be done every election thus ensuring that all parties in the Coalition as some point in time get the opportunity to see one of their own as commissioner.

This is just my idea, anyone feel free to contribute their own thoughts into this.

Hmm. It seems like we're already growing towards a two-party system.

I also want to avoid this; personally I’m not in favor of a two party system. What I think I’m trying to accomplish here is to bring some level of cooperation between the parties in order to secure power seeing as none of us alone are large enough to do it ourselves. This is just the natural process of multi-party systems.

Also it’s not as though we agree on every little detail, there will of course be competitions among ourselves, and problems will arise. I’m not expecting this to go smoothly or to last forever.

is a coaliton temporal or permanent alliance between parties?

That really depends; it isn’t up to me but rather to the parties that join, so I really don’t know how far this will go or how long it will last. But I don’t expect it to be permanent seeing as we’re right will be only dealing with the early stages of colonization, I expect thing to develop which may lead to the disintegration of the coalition in mid to late game.

What are the goals of this coalition... I may be able to convince my fellow party members that this coalition is a good thing, however I'd first like to know if this coalition has any set goals in mind.

The Coalition does have certain principles and goals which we wish to maintain:

1) Peace (we do not wish to actively seek war, but we will be prepared to defend ourselves);
2) Equality, Freedom, and Democracy; (I grouped these as one since they are all interrelated; we wish to maintain the principles of democracy on planet);
3) Betterment of the human condition (we also seek to improve the lives all people, thought all means, and particularly research and applications which it brings).

We all have these principles in common, though our exact means of achieving these goals may differ, at least we can cooperate on the things we agree upon and perhaps some to some compromises. The main differences I see between the parties who have joined, and even those who are considering joining are what economic models we should run, and what future societies we should have (though here the argument mainly is between Eudaimonia and Cybernetic, and both have their virtues). I’m not certain but I do believe that most of the parties see the value of Knowledge as a SE choice, so our argument comes down to economics and future societies (the later being a non-issue as this point in time).

[Kassiopeia]

The CDC is an interesting enterprise indeed. However, I will have to remind you that there are only some parties we can accept to the CDC, if we are to remain promoting our party's ideals. Of course, we might have to relinquish some to gain on the others, but principles are always principles, and I do hope that the CDC won't support Free Market unless it is absolutely necessary for the existence of the nation.

Kass / LSD

PS. Also, I do find it stressing that we are moving towards a two-party system, and wish that this current trend be halted before that happens. Diversity is relevant.

[Voltaire]

The CDC is an interesting enterprise indeed. However, I will have to remind you that there are only some parties we can accept to the CDC, if we are to remain promoting our party's ideals. Of course, we might have to relinquish some to gain on the others, but principles are always principles, and I do hope that the CDC won't support Free Market unless it is absolutely necessary for the existence of the nation.

Kass, it looks at though the P4 is already plotting against the CDC (take a look at the P4 political thread), and they’re not going to join. So it doesn’t look as though we’ll be supporting Free Market (seeing as all other members including ourselves are opposed to it). The P4 has already been discussing an alliance with the Capitalist Party in order to counter our influence.

And seeing as the CDC stands for democracy, I put fort the proposition that any further members that wish to join the CDC be approved by the current members before acceptance. This will insure that the principles which we stand for are maintained.

PS. Also, I do find it stressing that we are moving towards a two-party system, and wish that this current trend be halted before that happens. Diversity is relevant.

I agree, and initially if you take a look at our party thread, though I was in favor of cooperation I wasn’t in favor of a coalition. But the increasing power of the P4 (at 5 members) needed to be counterbalanced. So from the looks of it we now have 3 forces vying for power: the CDC, the ACE, and the P4.

[Voltaire]

Taking a look at the vote counts for the first commissioned it looks as though the P4 is in the lead (by 1 vote), I hope that the CDC members will back Darkness' Edge.

[Kassiopeia]

Well this is an interesting turn indeed; so we'd have the Democrats (us), the Capitalists (Capital party and possibly P4), ACE, the rest.

[Maniac]

Why don't you call us Builders? "Capitalists" has some negative sound in my ears.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
Well this is an interesting turn indeed; so we'd have the Democrats (us), the Capitalists (Capital party and possibly P4), ACE, the rest.

And if the P4 and the Capital Party join forces they’ll be as strong as we currently are (at 7 members each). I believe we need to attract more members to our respective parties and to encourage independents who share our ideals to join the CDC.

But onto another point, as mentioned earlier members to the CDC need to resolve the problem of who we shall back in elections. Therefore I think it best if everyone would declare their intentions to run and for what positions in this thread.

So to get the ball rolling I would like to announce to the CDC my intentions to run for the position of Director of Research / Commissioner for Science and Technology (or whatever they decide the name will be). And I would ask for support form the CDC membership. And to show that I am qualified and dedicated to the position, I originally started the Da Vinci Development party (the only party dedicated to strictly research), and later decided on merging with the LSD since our goals were similar in order to strengthen my bid for the position.

[Kassiopeia]

Well Builders it is then. It was merely a moniker I came up since I lacked anything else. But is that not just shrouding the truth?

[Maniac]

Mr. President would probably prefer "Capitalist", but I and hopefully the P4 members as well am not a hard-core right-wing capitalist. I advocate a more moderate form of free market, one with social corrections. This is represented by the fact that I prefer Knowledge-Eudamonic and that my agenda is equal chances and free education, under a free market system that is. Thus we combine the best of the two extremes: the economic growth of right-wing capitalists and the human potential development of left-wing policies.

So really, my vision of P4 has large similarities with the Social-Democracy of LSD.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by M@ni@c
Mr. President would probably prefer "Capitalist", but I and hopefully the P4 members as well am not a hard-core right-wing capitalist. I advocate a more moderate form of free market, one with social corrections. This is represented by the fact that I prefer Knowledge-Eudamonic and that my agenda is equal chances and free education, under a free market system that is. Thus we combine the best of the two extremes: the economic growth of right-wing capitalists and the human potential development of left-wing policies.

So really, my vision of P4 has large similarities with the Social-Democracy of LSD.

So why not join the CDC is we’re so alike?

[Kassiopeia]

So why not join the CDC is we’re so alike?

Ah, but we aren't alike enough, since CDC is environmentalist.