New poll about modifications to the next ACDG game

[Hydro]

I voted for no changes. I'm not convinced that text or other coding are needed. Instead we can ignore the feature, or agree to use it according to common rules. Is that so hard?

Example: EG overpowered - all players agree not to build it.
Example: choppers overpowered - ban choppers (why bother to reduce movement? seems silly - just get rid of them)

Hydro

[foolish_icarus]

CMN only changes

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Hydro
Instead we can ignore the feature, or agree to use it according to common rules. Is that so hard?

I think it it is. I'm not saying that anyone will intentionally abuse the privilege, just that mistakes WILL happen. And when someone has moved too far with a Chopper, you can't take the knowledge back.

Example: choppers overpowered - ban choppers (why bother to reduce movement? seems silly - just get rid of them)

Sounds fine to me, but I strongly doubt others (such as Jamski perhaps) would agree on this.

Since I haven't got my wish of a game vs the AI, I want a game where SMAX can play out fully, rather than have a certain critical point halfway through the techtree, with huge numbers of options unexplored where there is a killer tech/SP/unit that can then, if properly utilised, spell the end of the game. I want a game that will not end in a rush to Choppers, or a who-has-the-most-Choppers-the-fastest wins ending. That royally sucked in the current game, and is strongly anti-competitive. First there has just about won already.

[Jamski]

That is SMAX though. Its about rushing to choppers.

I'd accept a house rule that all choppers must have SAM. That would half their effectiveness as base-clearers and not require any modding. We could lift that ban with Fusion.

-Jam

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Jamski
That is SMAX though. Its about rushing to choppers.

-Jam

Reading this line, I say we ban the choppers!

[GeoModder]

It's simplier as you propose, Jam. A way to circumvent that partly is off course putting nerve gas on them.

But what you propose can easily be complemented by creating 'slow' choppers as well in the #UNITS list. It limits the number of extra units to be put in that list then...

[Jamski]

Why do you have to edit the #units list? Simply make all choppers with the SAM ability in the unit workshop. Let the AI build normal ones. I like the fact that adding SAM means you can't put Clean and Gas on as well

-Jam

[GeoModder]

Neural Grafting?
And that way for a while you can make even slower choppers, making them only usable for strictly base air defense.

It gives any faction a reasonable time to discover the AAA ability, and arm themselves with it. That's the main reason I propose this.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Jamski
Why do you have to edit the #units list? Simply make all choppers with the SAM ability in the unit workshop. Let the AI build normal ones. I like the fact that adding SAM means you can't put Clean and Gas on as well

-Jam

So what about the loophole of bribing AI Choppers to get around this restriction? The decision was made in a poll, let's just implement it and get on with it.

That is SMAX though. Its about rushing to choppers.

And it is exactly this that we are trying to avoid!

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
So what about the loophole of bribing AI Choppers to get around this restriction?

That is a sound tactic IMHO!
Besides, it's hardly expectable (if this ACDG is a good example) that the AI will have choppers before the teams reach fusion power.

[Jamski]

Neural Grafting?

Still only allows two specials.

So you can't have Gas and Clean with SAM. That would be 3 specials.

So what about the loophole of bribing AI Choppers to get around this restriction? The decision was made in a poll, let's just implement it and get on with it.

Pretty hard to imagine the AI will have choppers before the humans get past the restrictions... plus who has SAM probe teams?

-Jam

[Snowflake]

I say we first decide whether we go the CMN change route, then we decide whether we let the CMN edit the unit list or just make restrictions like choppers must have sams.

[MrWhereItsAt]

So if people get wet feet and vote for the lazy option that automatically and INDIRECTLY invalidates the confirmed result of an uncontested previous poll where it was decided to drop Chopper move points and move the CBA pre-req? No f***ing way.

The fact is that this current poll is a bit strange, and as the vote currently is clashes with previous decisions. Does this mean that there is no longer support for the change of CBA pre-req and Chopper move points? If so let's poll on that again - if the result is different from before then we needn't even be having this poll, and can go ahead without any text file changes. Further, if it is clear that the mood has changed then I withdraw my objection, as the democratic voice will have spoken. If the repoll result is the same, then it basically follows that some modding will need to be done by turnplayers. If that is the case then those who don't like the idea of messing with text files must just get over it.

[Snowflake]

There was a poll with the same result as this one before. And this poll is created exactly because later there were polls that produced contradictory results. The purpose of this poll is to clearify what exactly do people want.

If you feel like to redo the chopper poll, please go ahead and do it. I suggest you post your options here for discussion like I did for this one before you post the poll.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by HongHu
There was a poll with the same result as this one before.

There was?

Anyway, I suggest we just go with Jamski's suggestion of a houserule: "All choppers need to have SAM before you research Fusion Power." That way the wishes of those wanting to reduce chopper power and those not wanting to use modified alphax.txt are both followed.