The NON-ISSUE!

[Jamski]

We probably won't continue with Mead. We havn't had a chance to play another turn yet and find out though.

-Jam

[Maniac]

Originally posted by HongHu
Looks like you are more concerned about whether the Hive will change its turnplayer in the future.

No I am more concerned about your continuing inability to create any form of decent organization within the Hive. This case is just another example of to what problems this leads.

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar , Repeated for both Maniacs and Honghus benefit
As I understand it, this turn was not approved by anybody within the Hive. This is my ruling:

IF the turn was approved, but a mistake was noticed: Then the first turn must be used.
IF not: Then the replay may be used.

Originally posted by Maniac, repeated for Tassadars benefit
Since Mead was/is the official turnplayer, I can only assume him playing the turn at first was approved of. From what I know I get the impression it's only after Mead played the turn and made some mistakes, that Mead was suddenly no longer approved of. So I don't see the reason why a replay was allowed.

When is a turn considered "approved"? If I make a little former mistake that wasn't in the orders, and as a consequence people do not approve of the turn, would I then be allowed to replay?? If yes, that's just allowing an unlimited amount of reloads. If no, why not?

[Nubclear]

Well, a former error is one thing, but completly diverging off course from what everyone on your team says is another

[Illuminatus]

What if everyone else disagrees with former movement? We certainly do disagree when Maniac makes an error

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Well, a former error is one thing, but completly diverging off course from what everyone on your team says is another

That brings us back to one of my previous posts:
(repeat mode) The difference between what is a "normal error" and "completely diverging of course" is a completely subjective decision. And to prevent many arguments and discussions subjective decisions should be avoided as much as possible. The best way to do that is simply state that the first played turn of the official turnplayer is the definite one.

[Nubclear]

True, towards the middle there is ambiguity as to what isn't completly diverging and what is....But when you get to the two ends, there is a clear different

And if you want to prevent many arguements, you should accept my ruling!

[Enigma_Nova]

The Hive.
Are they constantly in riots or something?
Do they even want to get out of riots?

They can't create a political system to save their asses. Democracy doesn't work because it stifles people and said people will cause revolt.

The numbers of active people (LESS THAN 20) would make it practical for all people to be benefitted. I saw no selfish behaviour within The Hive, save for some self-righteousness, so this is possible.
They even have HongHu, who should be okayish at interpersonal matters.

I even propose a system of mutual understanding and benefit and was working on making the system to the people.
So what happens? The sheep stick with the tried-and-failed ways and boot the man who is frustrated at the errors and wants to do something to fix them.

With that kind of attitude, they're either going to devolve into mindless conformism (a la western society) or keep infighting.
Neither system seems very stable.
On aftersight, I should have joined the PUT.

[Impaler[WrG]]

IT seems we need to deside what constitutes a "mistake" vs a "unilateral Policy Shift". The Former cant be replayed the latter can be. It would seem this is just something to be left up to the gods, moving a former in the wrong direction is rather obviously a mistake in most situations as the optimum correct action to have taken us usaly obvious. A major change in Policy usaly deals with forign policy and will also need to be judged by the Gods. Their is ofcorse potential for some messy grey areas to emerge though but I hope that will be avoided.

[t_ras]

I'm sorry to say that,but i find it a litle dificult to keep playing a game where i'm not trusted. a game is just a game and it is for fun. if we told what ever we had told was the reason for replaying and CMN accepts it it should be ok.
i'm a (at least) liltle older then most people here and
I DO NOT LIKE TO BE TREATED AS A CHEATER OR A LAYER!!
i dont find this behabior by other factions neither constructive not amusing, it rather degrades the game waistes time.

just accept the ruling of CMN and lets keep playing.

[Nubclear]

Let's keep this discussion calm, or this thread gets closed.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by t_ras
I DO NOT LIKE TO BE TREATED AS A CHEATER OR A LAYER!!

Nobody is treating you or accusing of cheating, t_ras. As far as it looks to me this is just a discussion to ensure a set of rules here in case something alike happens again. It is, since I entered the ACDG, the second time a turn was posted (from different factions) which needs closer examination. Besides, their is no request running for a delay of further turns ATM, thus IOW, we're busy to keep on playing.

[Jamski]

Believe us - the turn played by Mead was so far off course it can't be described.

Example :

Faction says "We DO NOT break our pact and drop planet busters on Miriam"

Turn player : "I just broke our pact and PBed Mim, is that ok?"

Faction says "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING OF!!!!"

-Jam

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
The Hive.
Are they constantly in riots or something?
Do they even want to get out of riots?

They can't create a political system to save their asses. Democracy doesn't work because it stifles people and said people will cause revolt.

The numbers of active people (LESS THAN 20) would make it practical for all people to be benefitted. I saw no selfish behaviour within The Hive, save for some self-righteousness, so this is possible.
They even have HongHu, who should be okayish at interpersonal matters.

I even propose a system of mutual understanding and benefit and was working on making the system to the people.
So what happens? The sheep stick with the tried-and-failed ways and boot the man who is frustrated at the errors and wants to do something to fix them.

With that kind of attitude, they're either going to devolve into mindless conformism (a la western society) or keep infighting.
Neither system seems very stable.
On aftersight, I should have joined the PUT.

You are very right dear Enigma. I will try again and push for a stable government structure inside the Hive. (We did had one government official other than the Chairman himself, but he resigned too. ) The Hive will not work further based on persons, it has to be set on basis of a basic rules and an simply system.

[GeoModder]

Did the Chairman resigne?!

/me is shocked

How can we prosecute him then?!?!

But for off roleplay

We posted our PUT turn, so we're going on, for better or worse...

[Maniac]

Originally posted by t_ras
I DO NOT LIKE TO BE TREATED AS A CHEATER OR A LAYER!!

We're not doing that. I just hope we can agree on some rules in case this happens again, and also hope the Hive can make sure this won't ever happen again so those rules wouldn't have to be executed.

Originally posted by HongHu
I will try again and push for a stable government structure inside the Hive.

May I suggest you copy the CPU society model and government system, and start a democratization? I think the CPU model has repeatedly proved itself as the most stable of all factions.