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You startOriginally posted by MrWhereItsAt
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I'll try to bring this thread back to a subject similar than the one that started it.
Would I be allowed to ask what is the internal Hive problem, and what Tassadar had to make a ruling about? Has it something to do with Mead playing the turn without the majority of the Hive agreeing to what he did?
If so, would it be allowed to get a non-concrete summary of what happened, what was ruled, and why? During that turn that PEACE had a reload, I asked Googlie as well what would be ruled in case a non-turnplayer played the turn without approval of the majority, but I didn't get an answer.
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it is about that.
nothing to be alarmed from.
"Some one told me former operators are not supposed to think much, that's good. I think that was the reason I took this job, ha, that and of course the fact the commissar said so." -t_ras: life through the former operators eye
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In that case could I please ask who is the official Hive turnplayer? That way other factions know which turn is supposed to be the official one, and it would also prevent issues like this one.Comment
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Sorry, just saw your post in the turn thread Function Maniac. To answer your question, Mead is the turn player following my resignation. However he didn't follow his orders when he played. Tass ruled that his turn should not be used because he does not want a precedent so that if in the future one wants to sabotage a faction he can just play a turn that is against the team's will.Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
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Sorry, just saw your post in the turn thread Function Maniac. To answer your question, Mead is the turn player following my resignation. However he didn't follow his orders when he played. Tass ruled that his turn should not be used because he does not want a precedent so that if in the future one wants to sabotage a faction he can just play a turn that is against the team's will.
I'm sorry, but if Mead is the official turnplayer, I don't see why a replay was granted. Not following orders has never in the past been sufficient reason to grant a reload. CyCon turnplayer have from time to time made little mistakes, even mistakes as serious as making the mistake not to move a worked back where it should be, causing a base starvation as a consequence. No replay was requested, according to the principle that the first turn played by the turnplayer is the official and definite one. Also some time ago the CyCon request for a replay of the PEACE turn was not granted because PEACE would have cheated, which they didn't do. It was granted because the turn sent forward to us was one played by Hercules, after PEACE's official turnplayer Makahlua had already fully played the turn then.
As far as I see this current Hive situation is exactly the same as the one with PEACE, so I do not see any reason why the first turn played by Mead wouldn't be accepted as the official one. This ruling creates a precedent that a faction can play as many turns as they want, and choose the turn that they like best, with the excuse that all other turns were not played according to the "official orders". If your turnplayer doesn't play the orders you want to be played, simply appoint another turnplayer.Comment
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Perhaps we should let tass answer your question because he is aware of the entire situation and made his judgement bases upon that. I can assure you the matter was not simply as making a mistake and cause a base starvation as a consequence. I have asked for a ruling and am prepared to abid by the ruling no matter what ruling we got. I blieve you have the right to repeal the ruling. If tass changes his ruling I believe the Hive will be more than happy to abide that ruling also.Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
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Did Mead do that? If so, why is he still turnplayer?Originally posted by HongHu
Tass ruled that his turn should not be used because he does not want a precedent so that if in the future one wants to sabotage a faction he can just play a turn that is against the team's will.Comment
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I do not think that issue has been decided yet inside the Hive.Be good, and if at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure will be back in fashion soon. -- teh Spamski
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this is an internal issue of the hive.Originally posted by Maniac
Did Mead do that? If so, why is he still turnplayer?
and he mighth stay the turnplayer, this should not mater to you..."Some one told me former operators are not supposed to think much, that's good. I think that was the reason I took this job, ha, that and of course the fact the commissar said so." -t_ras: life through the former operators eyeComment
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Looks like anarchy has taken over Hive, even as you live in Police State. There are now quite a lot incidents like this. Have you destabilised as a faction? Perhaps you should let your members decide about your policy.SMAC/X FAQ | Chiron Archives
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --G.B.ShawComment
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maybe it is just propaganda
"Some one told me former operators are not supposed to think much, that's good. I think that was the reason I took this job, ha, that and of course the fact the commissar said so." -t_ras: life through the former operators eyeComment
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Yes it does. As Mead was at the time of his turnplay the official turnplayer, and still appears to be the official one currently, as far as I see according the rules that have counted up until now his turn should be posted, not the replayed one.Originally posted by t_ras
this is an internal issue of the hive.
and he mighth stay the turnplayer, this should not mater to you...Comment
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