Hiverian Planetary Council Motion: Call of Cease Fire

[Kody]

Originally posted by Maniac


Mani Alpha-3, democratically chosen Prime Function of the Consciousness region, votes NAY.
Archaic, democratically chosen Chancellor of the PUT region, votes NAY.
Geo Beta-2, democratically chosen Admiral Function of the PEACE region, votes NAY.

Seeing the Hive has brutally declared war on the Angels, I doubt they would abstain on this issue. Likewise for their pactmates the Believers.

In other words: 1 vote YEA, 5 votes NAY.

I thought it was 1 faction 1 vote in a council. Not 1 vote per assimulated region.

So technically the CPU gets 1 vote, unless they want to rennounce their whole unified thingy....

I'm not sure if you're able to cast the votes for the AI, I thought either Googile or Tassadar would handle AI votes.

I kindof found it funny that Maniac is able to cast Archiac's vote for him. Did Archiac decide to unify the University with the Cycon before or after being assimulated?

[Nubclear]

It is one vote per every recognized independant political entity. This recognition rests with, ha, me!
However, the Cybernetic Consciousness and the PUT are different political entities headed by the same leader and as such they have one vote each.
The AI votes are automatically invalidated as both their leaders are incompetent.
I do not recognize Archaic as being the leader of the PUT, because he's not

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
It is one vote per every recognized independant political entity. This recognition rests with, ha, me!

The Consciousness does not recognize the fled PEACE military junta in Crossbone Way as an independent political entity. They're just a band of fled dictators. We have liberated PEACE from their oppressors, have held democratic elections with Geo Beta-2 as winner, and thus he has the right to the Council seat.

[Nubclear]

It is the right of the Consciousness to not recognize the current PEACE government, however it is the opinion of me that both Hercules is the legitimate ruler of PEACE and that the majority of factions recognize this defacto. The leaders of PEACE before were Hercules, and they are currently Hercules.
Plus, again: The territories conquered are not an independant political entity.
In old Earth, the United States did not get 50 votes on the council simply because it had 50 states.

[Nubclear]

Such is my ruling. All factions are free to recognize or refuse to recognize it though in the opinion of your god, if there is not unaniminity in either recognizing or not recongizing this ruling then the council will become as a farce.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by foolish_icarus
Many of those facilities have been destroyed

YOU have destroyed them before you and your dictatorial "Council of Captains" fled away. If there is any humanitarian disaster, it would be because of your doing.

To the best of my knowledge, we never lied to Cycon.

Then I suggest you reread your diplomatic exchanges threads if you have any. IIRC you weren't yet a PEACE member in the period involved, so you may not know.

If this is the standard the Council wishes to promote, one of disregard for agreements, treachery, and rampant unprovoked use of violent force

The infiltration information the Hive provided us showed that you had probe skimships moving to Binary Bastion to infiltrate our datalinks. That's a hostile action and we merely defended ourselves.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Such is my ruling. All factions are free to recognize or refuse to recognize it though in the opinion of your god, if there is not unaniminity in either recognizing or not recongizing this ruling then the council will become as a farce.

If the other factions do not recognize the legitimacy of our PEACE vote, then this Council indeed is a farce, and its rulings meaningless.

[Kody]

Hrmm before I thought it was the Hive that sounded desperate when they made this thread. Now I've decided that these latest posts sound more desperate.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Kody
Hrmm before I thought it was the Hive that sounded desperate when they made this thread. Now I've decided that these latest posts sound more desperate.

How wonderful. Congratulations on your decision.

[laurentius]

I'd like to point out that without Hives approval the whole war between PEACE and CyCon would never have started at all. It was with Hives support that we decided to go to war. And the Hive was never neutral in any way about this, nono. They PROVIDED US with infiltration information of PEACE for example. So they KNEW and APPROVED the current situation beforehand. Now the winds have turned I see, well all I can say is HIVE BETRAYS ONCE AGAIN. They dont seem very trustworthy. As a victim of this backstabbing I warn any ally of Hive to be very careful with them, because you could be the next they decieve.

kassad omicron-9, second function of CPU

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
It is the right of the Consciousness to not recognize the current PEACE government, however it is the opinion of me that both Hercules is the legitimate ruler of PEACE and that the majority of factions recognize this defacto. The leaders of PEACE before were Hercules, and they are currently Hercules.
Plus, again: The territories conquered are not an independant political entity.
In old Earth, the United States did not get 50 votes on the council simply because it had 50 states.

The two "Old Earth" precedents that jump to mind most quickly in this regard would be the Republic of China in the 1940s through the early 1970s and Afghanistan in the 1990s through 2001. In both of these cases (along with any number of others, actually), the deposed government of a state or government of a conquered state retained its official representative position, council voting rights, and even internationally recognized sovereignty over territory until such time as the council could vote to recognize a change of sovereignty from the previous government to a new one. In the case of the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China, this process took decades and the situation here (with PEACE) where the government of a state has fled to an island nearly precisely mirrors that situation.

The situation of Afghanistan is also illustrative. For nearly a decade, the internationally recognized government controlled at most about 10% of the actual territory it was internationally recognized to have sovereignty over, while the governing body which had de facto control over the other 90% of the territory had no international recognition because no vote by the council took place and passed to recognize it. The situation resolved itself when the lost territory was reclaimed by elements loyal or allied to the original government. In terms of international law, however, the sovereign government of Afghanistan never changed.

There are numerous other examples from "Old Earth" history of this council's predecessor organization, the "United Nations" only accepting a change of sovereignty through a vote of the council membership.

Since this colony and indeed this very council was founded with the use of the Charter of that very organization, these precedents are more than simply relevant, they reflect the operating rules of this council.

If CyCon is proposing that the sovereignty of PEACE be transferred from the currently recognized government to a new government, such a proposal will need to pass a vote of this council before it becomes official. Until that time, the original government of PEACE will retain its council membership, its voting rights, and international recognition of its sovereign rights over its territory.

[MrWhereItsAt]

'Scuse me.

[Kody]

Originally posted by laurentius
I'd like to point out that without Hives approval the whole war between PEACE and CyCon would never have started at all. It was with Hives support that we decided to go to war. And the Hive was never neutral in any way about this, nono. They PROVIDED US with infiltration information of PEACE for example. So they KNEW and APPROVED the current situation beforehand. Now the winds have turned I see, well all I can say is HIVE BETRAYS ONCE AGAIN. They dont seem very trustworthy. As a victim of this backstabbing I warn any ally of Hive to be very careful with them, because you could be the next they decieve.

kassad omicron-9, second function of CPU

Firstly you already had the army ready to go before you were given the peace base information.

Secondly, I take responsibility for giving the CyCon the Peace information. I liked the CyCon back then and believed that the CyCon were cheated by the Peace at the time. I no longer hold those views and apologise to the Peace for my actions.

The CyCon were questioning why we were holding back on trading with them. The issue of permi-pact with the CyCon was being discussed and the prerogative was to stay in good relations with the CyCon. At the time the CyCon didn't have anything we wanted, so I requested permission to give them some freebies. After I got authorisation I gave them a couple of things for free and one of the things they got for free was infiltration information on the Peace.

It was only after I left that I realised my serious mistake, but since I was already officially out of the Hive it was too late to made reparations to the Peace.

[foolish_icarus]

YOU have destroyed them before you and your dictatorial "Council of Captains" fled away. If there is any humanitarian disaster, it would be because of your doing.

Duh. To get money because we did our best to save ourselves in the war YOU STARTED.

Then I suggest you reread your diplomatic exchanges threads if you have any. IIRC you weren't yet a PEACE member in the period involved, so you may not know.

I was and I have reviewed the records. On one occasion we refrained from volunteering information. I apologize profusely and withdraw all my statements as this clearly validates everything Cycon has done, since it’s obvious we were obligated to do Cycon’s research for them and you were perfect and we were bad and OH THE HUMANITY!

The infiltration information the Hive provided us showed that you had probe skimships moving to Binary Bastion to infiltrate our datalinks. That's a hostile action and we merely defended ourselves.

Your infiltration data showed we were going to infiltrate you so you had to attack us??? Classic.

I'd like to point out that without Hives approval the whole war between PEACE and CyCon would never have started at all. It was with Hives support that we decided to go to war. And the Hive was never neutral in any way about this, nono. They PROVIDED US with infiltration information of PEACE for example. So they KNEW and APPROVED the current situation beforehand. Now the winds have turned I see, well all I can say is HIVE BETRAYS ONCE AGAIN. They dont seem very trustworthy. As a victim of this backstabbing I warn any ally of Hive to be very careful with them, because you could be the next they decieve.

And I’d like to point out that the whole war between PEACE and CyCon would never have started at all had not Cycon, oh, SNEAK ATTACKED US WITH THE INTENTION OF OBLITERATING US TO THE LAST BASE! The thing that gets my goat the most about Cycon is your utter arrogance. You have the gall to accuse the Hive of betrayal?

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by foolish_icarus


Duh. To get money because we did our best to save ourselves in the war YOU STARTED.

So you destroyed schools, factories, banks, hospitals just to get money for weapons? Well the you choose to sacrifice your own civilians causing a humanitarian disaster. You would rather watch them suffer and die instead of giving up when the course of battle was decided to minimalise civilian casualties. But now, you didn`t think on them then.

I was and I have reviewed the records. On one occasion we refrained from volunteering information. I apologize profusely and withdraw all my statements as this clearly validates everything Cycon has done, since it’s obvious we were obligated to do Cycon’s research for them and you were perfect and we were bad and OH THE HUMANITY!

Maybe we should make records of PEACE communication public. Then you would see what is this war about - when being fed up with ultimatums and extortions (pardon it is what you claim "sweetening the deal") and even preparing to take technology with probes if we declined.

Your infiltration data showed we were going to infiltrate you so you had to attack us??? Classic.

Classic it is, but it is true. You have proven not to be trusted and showed your intentions of taking what you want. Attack was our only resort since you ignored diplomatic channels.

And I’d like to point out that the whole war between PEACE and CyCon would never have started at all had not Cycon, oh, SNEAK ATTACKED US WITH THE INTENTION OF OBLITERATING US TO THE LAST BASE! The thing that gets my goat the most about Cycon is your utter arrogance. You have the gall to accuse the Hive of betrayal?

Yes, we should accuse you of betrayal and pretending friendship while claiming that you are simply pursuing good deals. Hive has seen that too, and given us a green light to go for it, seeing that you are best eliminated or crippled.