Digital Data Download (3D) Special Annoucement: The Children of Science Unite!

[Method]

[Jamski]

Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them?

This stinks.

-Jam

[Hercules]

Jamski makes good points. If you are now one unified grouping a la Germany a la Arab state, then you don't need two turns.

Also PUT were at Vendetta with the Drones, so are the cycon at vendetta with the Drones, with all the ramifications for the cycon and the Hive that that has.

It seems to me you are two factions in a super pact but not one unified faction.

As two factions it is possible in a future time for the two constituent parts to go their separate ways (or in your view is that not now possible). New members might join your combined state but if/when there is split (it can happen) where do they go or by what criteria do they choose.

However, if you are a single entity ( not a federation), then you must engineer the take over of presumably, the PUT bases by Cyborg units or vice versa, the Cycon bases by PUT personnel.

So, IMO, despite your protestations you simply are a super pact. No harm in that, it's allowed: a two state federation.

However if you are as you claim 'united' then both parts should have similar SE settings etc and one voice.

A big question is, Is the unification process reversible (but prove how it is reversible - who can vote, rather than simply saying yes or no)? If it is then you can have two turns but not two different foreign policies.

If it is irreversible, then yes, you are one faction, therefore one turn and some one faction of your pairing has too dissolve.

[Micha]

Yeah, Hercules is right. There are quite some things that need to be discussed...

[Nubclear]

However if you are as you claim 'united' then both parts should have similar SE settings etc and one voice.

Not really.
Hong Kong and China are one, however...Hong Kong runs Democratic/Free Market/Wealth/None while China runs Police State/Planned/Power/None.

The way I see it, the PUT has become a CyCon vassal just as Poland was a Soviet vassal. Not officially a part of it, but sharing nearly everything.
Except PUT is willing
So they will play seperate turns, and they will be considered as one. That is my ruling.
Also....On the question of irreverisibility.....I rule that it is not reversable unless both sides agree to the breaking.

Deal.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Jamski
Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them?

This stinks.

-Jam

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Jamski
Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them?

This stinks.

-Jam

[Illuminatus]

PUT are letting us play their turn but since all our decisions are open for discussion they can also be a part of it. What I mean is that they can suggest anything and we will listen to their suggestions. They are currently "vassals" by choice.

[Hercules]

Not really.
Hong Kong and China are one, however...Hong Kong runs Democratic/Free Market/Wealth/None while China runs
Police State/Planned/Power/None.

The way I see it, the PUT has become a CyCon vassal just as Poland was a Soviet vassal. Not officially a part
of it, but sharing nearly everything.
Except PUT is willing
So they will play seperate turns, and they will be considered as one. That is my ruling.
Also....On the question of irreverisibility.....I rule that it is not reversable unless both sides agree to the
breaking.

Deal.

If it is your ruling then I am concerned.

You have not answered the vendetta question. Second, if former PUT members decided to go their own away in the future, as it is a voluntary initiative by PUT, they should be allowed to do so.

Anyhow from what you say I gather they are really just a humdrum permi pact.

[Jamski]

Anyhow from what you say I gather they are really just a humdrum permi pact.

In a perma-pact you don't have both turns being played by the same person. The CyUni basically have two turns per year now, while the other factions only get one.

Sucks

-Jam

[Skanky Burns]

Each unit can only move once. Each base only produces the standard amount each turn. Its not like there is any advantage to having two turns, other than the fact we have more to play with now.

[Jamski]

I'm sure it would be useful in a war.

-Jam

[Maniac]

Then you have to make sure we don't have to engage in a war.

[Jamski]

Then you have to make sure we don't have to engage in a war.

I'll do my very best, Miss Sophie

/me winks and goes upstairs *

[Skanky Burns]

I'm quite sure it wouldn't, what with our new territories being quite unsuited to the rigours of war.
/me puts marbles on the stairs.