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**Maniac** · December 28, 2003, 21:25

We asked Googlie to start the thread.

**Drogue** · December 28, 2003, 21:27

IMHO, Googlie is using the war to discuss what would happen in the event of a defeated faction. Something that needed to be discussed. I don't think his post fortells an outcome, as I don't think anyone knows this outcome.

The first point I do not get. Why was it not appropriate?

The second point I would answer by saying I don't think he does. It is a possibility that there will be a defeated faction, whichever faction it is. Therefore, it is appropriate to discuss what happens in that event. He is simply asking for a discussion on what happens if there is a defeated faction. I think when war breaks out it is appropriate to discuss that.

The third point I understand, however I don't see where in any of Googlie's posts he has said or even hinted at which faction he believes is going to win the war. How is asking for a discussion on defeated faction members if a faction is defeated saying which side he expects to win? The CyCons have naturally gone out saying we expect to win. Googlie has said nothing of the sort.

If you can find and quote any post Googlie has made even hinting at which faction he believes will win I will believe you have a point. At the moment Googlie has acted completely appropriately in asking for a discussion on one of the possible outcomes of the war, without mentioning any factions whatsoever.

I would ask you to either quote what Googlie has said that you feel is inappropriate, and then we can all discuss it, or withdraw your comments.

**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 21:33

Third from non involved factions/observer factions, the CMN seems to have forecast the outcome of on-going events. This would have an an effect on dip relations with factions, ie the CMN is everywhere has all knowledge therefore knows the outcome.

Oh please.
I rule immediately that Googlies thread is perfectly legitimate as the issue will have to be dealt with at some time.
This is a completly frivilous thread.

**Hercules** · December 28, 2003, 21:45

From Maniac

We asked Googlie to start the thread.

Excellent so you have control over Googlie. Useful to know.

**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 21:50

Hercules: I will tell you this.
I have seen on numerous occasions where Googlie has spared PEACE his wrath whereas I would not be so forgiving.
Do not be so quick to defame him....
Also...Being his underling, if he were to leave I would take his place. Just remember that next time you call for his head.

**Maniac** · December 28, 2003, 21:55

Originally posted by Hercules
Excellent so you have control over Googlie. Useful to know.

*sigh*

**Hercules** · December 28, 2003, 21:58

I rule immediately that Googlies thread is perfectly legitimate as the issue will have to be dealt
with at some time

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Tass: Look at the comments in the thread; the assumption is the Peace faction is bye bye. It's that overarching assumption I object to and to which Googlie seems to have aver. Yeah by all means discuss the issue but it is not appropriate at this time.

**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 22:04

Originally posted by Hercules
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Tass: Look at the comments in the thread; the assumption is the Peace faction is bye bye.

Let us look at the thread:

Googlie has not even said the word "PEACE" or "Pirates".
Let us look at his SOLE POST:

Now that War has broken out it's appropriate to discuss how defeated factions' players get redistributed among the survivors.

So post thoughts here, and I'll kick off with an opinion, (not a ruling)

I think that Faction Officers and turnplayers should be required to join the conquering faction, but that ordinary "citizens" should be able to join any faction of their choice.

Of course, whether such players choose to become inert (or ert, for that matter) cannot be legislated.

Thoughts everyone??

G.

No faction is mentioned implied. In fact, the only subject disccused is how to deal with members of a conquered faction.
Others in the thread may think PEACE is history, but Googlie is not responsible for their words.
If I create a thread about....About what to do with spies and someone comes in and posts their factions password, one cannot blame ME for them posting it.

In short; Googlie is innocent of all your little charges against him, and I have ruled as such. If you do not wish to accept my ruling, you may take it up with Googlie. Otherwise: DEAL.

. Yeah by all means discuss the issue but it is not appropriate at this time.

Oh no. Two factions being at war and all definitely isn't the appropriate time.
Let's discuss it when a faction is already conquered and have the game sit still while we debate!

Great idea.

This thread has almost outlived it's usefulness.

**Hercules** · December 28, 2003, 22:12

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Now that War has broken out it's appropriate to discuss how defeated factions' players get
redistributed among the survivors.

So post thoughts here, and I'll kick off with an opinion, (not a ruling)

I think that Faction Officers and turnplayers should be required to join the conquering faction,
but that ordinary "citizens" should be able to join any faction of their choice.

Of course, whether such players choose to become inert (or ert, for that matter) cannot be
legislated.

Thoughts everyone??

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**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 22:17

If you wish, I can break down his post into individual pieces and analyize their meaning as well as how they interrelate with the other pieces.

However this would displease me. Severely.

**Hercules** · December 28, 2003, 22:38

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Most team-DG's I've seen work on the principle that when you faction is defeated,
you are defeated, and like a PBEM, you no longer continue to take part in it.

Indeed. But since this ACDTG isn't suffering from an abundance of active participants, it is the official
Consciousness opinion that we would prefer to give members of a conquered faction the option to join their
conqueror. In our specific case, this can be perfectly explained by the process of assimilation.

A pity we haven't heard the opinion of a pirate yet.

Why is it a pity. Unless this whole thread is to do with the after life of dead pirates

**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 22:47

I'll tell you about pity: It is pitiful you are trying to construe things so much as to the point that GooglieGod is at fault for Maniacs post.
No. Maniac:

1. Was well within his rights to say such a thing.
2. Is responsible for his own words as I'm sure he'll agree to.

You are only hurting your own reputation by trying to defame Googliegod whom I'm sure everyone will agree has done a superb job.
Which is really the only reason why this thread is still open.

**Hercules** · December 28, 2003, 22:49

the CMN seems to have forecast the outcome of on-going
events. This would have an an effect on dip relations with factions, ie the CMN is everywhere has all
knowledge therefore knows the outcome.

I really don't like to quote myself but this is not saying who wins or who Googlie thinks will win but there is an implication that Peace are the 'doomed' faction.

Also btw As most players should know, I have the utmost most respect for Googlie.

**Nubclear** · December 28, 2003, 22:53

Originally posted by Hercules

I really don't like to quote myself but this is not saying who wins or who Googlie thinks will win but there is an implication that Peace are the 'doomed' faction.

And you are trying to blame Googlie for it. Do not insult my intelligence by attempting any refutation. The mere title of this thread has already exposed your intentions.

But for the sake of argument let us assume you are not trying to imply Googliegod responsible. What do you want then? Are you merely whining that people think that PEACE has no chance? We the moderators can do nothing, for they may say what they wish. It is no different than PEACE saying that CyCon will lose this war.

Also btw As most players should know, I have the utmost most respect for Googlie.

Of course

My apologies. I suppose I'm reading a bit too far into comments such as

Excellent so you have control over Googlie. Useful to know.

and

Without doubt, in my opinion, one of the most ill advised threads of the ACDG2 from a CMN.

Is it your tradition to treat those you have "utmost' respect for with almost complete contempt?

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