Googlies inappropriate thread:

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Hercules
Excellent so you have control over Googlie. Useful to know.

No, we wished to know what would happen if a faction was defeated, since we were discussing if we would allow PEACE members to join or, or if we would try to join other factions, in the event of a defeat.

Originally posted by Hercules
Tass: Look at the comments in the thread; the assumption is the Peace faction is bye bye.

By people who happento be CyCons. Of course we're going to say "we're going to win the war". It's like routing for your favourite football team. It is also not under Googlie's control. If you object to what we've said, tell us. Otherwise leave Googlie out of it. If you're objecting to CyCon members saying we're going to win why don't you counter. At least we're giving our side when you can't reply, as happened earlier. If you think you're going to win, post it.

Originally posted by Hercules
It's that overarching assumption I object to and to which Googlie seems to have aver.

On what evidence? Where has Googlie said anything at all about his opinion on it? Quote where he has hinted that he believes the CyCon will win or withdraw your comments.

Originally posted by Hercules
Yeah by all means discuss the issue but it is not appropriate at this time.

Why not? Are we to get a defeated faction before we decide what can happen? Are we to wait until a faction leader has let in an ex-member of a defeated faction before we consider it? We'd better debate it now, because it could happen soon.

Originally posted by Hercules
Why is it a pity. Unless this whole thread is to do with the after life of dead pirates

It's a pity because the two sides in the war are most likely to be affected by this ruling. Whichever side wins.

Moreover, that was Maniac's post with my quote. We are welcome to be pro-CyCon, since we are CyCons. That isn't anything to do with Googlie.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Hercules
I really don't like to quote myself but this is not saying who wins or who Googlie thinks will win but there is an implication that Peace are the 'doomed' faction.

Yes, the CyCon are implying that. We are entitled to, as you are entitled to imply that CyCon's are doomed. What has this to do with Googlie though?

As I said, show me a why Googlie's thread is inappropriate, a quote on where he has been biased, or even slightly improper, or withdraw your allegation. I have no idea where you have got the idea from that Googlie's thread was inappropriate, or that he is responsible for the opinions of the CyCons posting.

[Hercules]

At the moment I Googlie has acted completely appropriately in asking for a
discussion on one of the possible outcomes of the war, without mentioning any factions whatsoever.

Hmmmm interesting.

[Hercules]

Let's get something accurate here. My view (not necessarily)Peace view is that Googlies's thread was inappropriate. That doesn't say it is right or wrong, it just says it is inappropriate.

It (this thread) attempts to say why it is is inappropriate.

1 Why now? Well we now know it was prompted by Maniac or Cycon after they initiated a war against Peace (as part of the Pr machine (echos anyone))
2 Inadvertantly Googlie became part of the 'legitimate' Cycon PR Machine, (fair enough, but we can question its neutrality). (though credit to good Cycon PR media manipulation management).
3) Pirate restraint, If a neutral thread why were there some awfully anxious to hear Pirate views on matters.
4) Most posters to Googlies' thread seem to take to the theme that the Pirate faction was finished and it was a question of what to do with possibly troublesome faction members afterwards. So when has battle suddenly become complete and final war.


Googlie should have given more thought to the implications of his (prompted) thread. in my view.

[Nubclear]

Hercules: Googlie is the supreme god of this game. He may do whatever he wishes as long as it does not violate the rules of the game and even then there are circumstances when he can violate the rules.
CyCon put forth a question that was probably going ot be asked by many, and Googlie created a thread. CyCon then proceeded to post in that thread that they were going to win.
Googlie could not control that.

Your pitiful attempts to try to undermine his reputation have backfired. Why do you persist?

[Impaler[WrG]]

As the function who initialy asked Googlie if their was any kind of policy on reintigration of players should their team be eliminated I feel I should jump into this thread even though its been beat to death already

The Cycons are ofcorse belive of that PEACE will be defeated, and naturaly we began to wonder what would happen to the Players in PEACE. So we asked Googlie what would happen to them. Googlie informed us that their was no official position on it. So in a spirit of caring we asked to have this issue raised so that member of the PEACE faction might be able to continue partispating in and enjoying the ACDTG in some form. We also hoped that we might gain members as the resent Breakdown of Uni has indicated are realy a vital resorce.

We asked that Googlie NOT begin discussing this topic untill AFTER war had been declared so as not to tip anyone off prematurely. Googlie was completly apropriate in waiting untill now.

This issue is of far to great an importance to simply be handeled by Imperial Decree when it actualy happens. It would be unfair to everyone involved and Googlie would be unlikly to make a choice the comunity would accepted without first reciving people opinions.

If we ACTUALY did control Googlie as Hercules sugjests then we would have no incentive to have this topic raised and would simply have Googlie issue some kind of Fiate that conformed to our wishes. Instead this topic will be discused thourogly by the whole comunity.

Given that I belive Googlies actions were apropriate I can still empathise with the PEACE position. Googlie can not avoid revealing the fact that the elimination of one of the games factions is now a destinct Posibility with the raising of this issue. Because Cycon is the agressor in this war its is obvius that PEACE is the one in danger of elimination. A "defeat" for Cycon in this context would be a failure to fully concour PEACE. A PEACE victory would be to hold their bases, but it definatly won't consist of Concouring the Cycon Empire.


Hercules has himself all but confirmed this line of thought by raising issue with Googlies post. Googlie spoke of only the posibility of eliminated factions, Cycon pontificated on their inevitable victory and from this Hercules has drawn the conclusion that Googlie belives that Cycon will be victorious, obviosly Hercules did not consider for a moment that Cycon would be the faction that might be eliminated, only that his own faction was potentialy in danger and that Googlie doupted their ability to survive. In my mind Hercules has done more to strengthin my alreadly considerable belife in Cycon victory then any action Googlie has taken.

[Snowflake]

Well I guess I'm too late to discover this thread. Anyway I would like to share my 2 cents as a member of a third faction who is not involved in this war.

Hercules: I'd like to offer my opinion that when I first read Googlie's starting post, I have not had the impression that he was hinting that PEACE would be defeated. The impression that that thread is anti-PEACE I blieve is because lots of CC members posted in it while few PEACE member had posted.

While I think it may be a reasonable conjestion for people that since CC started this war that must mean that they are well prepared for it and have a better chance of winning, as far as I'm concerned, I still don't know what the outcome of the war will be. And I do not believe that the Googlie thread under question has given us more information.

I hope this will eliviate some of your concerns as I'm from a third faction.

[Hercules]

The Cycons are ofcorse belive of that PEACE will be defeated, and naturaly we began to wonder what would
happen to the Players in PEACE. So we asked Googlie what would happen to them. Googlie informed us that
their was no official position on it. So in a spirit of caring we asked to have this issue raised so that member
of the PEACE faction might be able to continue partispating in and enjoying the ACDTG in some form. We also
hoped that we might gain members as the resent Breakdown of Uni has indicated are realy a vital resorce.

We asked that Googlie NOT begin discussing this topic untill AFTER war had been declared so as not to tip
anyone off prematurely. Googlie was completly apropriate in waiting untill now.

You've made my point. Media Control.

Also the issue about beaten factions was discussed away back in the early discussions, so it was a surprise for it to pop up again in the general forum.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Hercules


You've made my point. Media Control.

No Hercules. You've made MY point.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Well aparently no Consensus position was reached, also note that I only joined the the Game 2 months ago. Naturaly the CMN is ther person to ask about a topic like that and if he says their is no official position on it then there is non as he would have to make it.

Also dont you think it would have been suspicicius for Googlie to suddenly raise the issue BEFORE we declared war. If anything that would seem to project an even lower opinion of PEACE's survival chances. Need Googlie wait untill your down to your last base to begin the debate? Likly by then many of your members would have become disalusioned and inactive if they did not have assurances they could continue the game in some form and the whole debate would have been moot.

[Hercules]

Honghu: The issue here is perception. Personally I know we are well capable of rebuffing the Cycon, but the views of our allies are important. So the launch of such a thread by Googlie at this time (at the Cycon behest), by its very content and the sweep of Cycon follow on input was designed to damage Pirate standing.

My argument is that Googlie was an unwitting implement of Cycon propoganda. hence, why I thought it (the thread) inappropriate (at this time).


Now, I realise we will have to improve on our public image. Other factions who have dealt with us know we have an sound reputation in dealings, in spite of the xenorum facade.

[foolish_icarus]

Something unfortunate appears to be happening. Somehow, Hercules' suggestion that the thread could have waited till later seems to have been blown up into supposed allegations of conspiracy. Keeping in mind that the good captain has been a bit excitable since that unfortunate mindworm incident, read his posts carefully for content.


[QUOTE] Tassadar :

Hercules:
You've made my point. Media Control. [/QOUTE]



No Hercules. You've made MY point. .

Apparently Tassadar doesn't appreciate the Captain's subtle wit.

[Enigma_Nova]

Peace? Cycon?
You folk are too shortsighted. It's about where the players will go when THE HIVE wins over you all!

[laurentius]

One step at a time Enigma.
btw have you managed to decrypt my message yet

[Maniac]

Originally posted by foolish_icarus
that unfortunate mindworm incident

Mind worm incident?


Anyway Hercules, would you have objected to it if a cyborg started the thread instead of Googlie? Then you couldn't accuse him of being under our control. However the risk would've been that since the thread wasn't made by an official neutral person, the issue of defeated factions might not be thoroughly discussed. Then a decision about it would have to wait until a faction is actually defeated, which is - as already stated by many others - way too late.