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**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 18:23

Originally posted by Agathon
Panag, are you incapable of admitting you were wrong.

First you say that the leaked G5 specs were fake, and then after Steve Jobs tells everyone publicly they were genuine, you still say they were fake.

You're mental.

hi ,

read again , .....

and btw , no need to get personal , .....

blame apple , ....

have a nice day

**Agathon** · July 1, 2003, 18:27

OK - I read you what you said about the premature specifications.

Originally posted by panag

hi ,

well he used a rumour and hit by accident (!) the ball , ......

No. An Apple employee put it up by accident. It was the official Apple Store website.

but read the hot mac news , you shall see that panag has mentioned that this fall or at the macworld of next year jan or feb the latest we shall see a new cpu , ....

Everyone knew that. But no one knew for sure and no one knew the specs.

they are working on it , that no big secret but in this case it was not put up by a hacker or so , he just copied shamelessly the page and added the specs himself , ......

It was on Apple's own site. They've admitted this in public. It was their mistake.

Sorry, but you are wrong on this one.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 18:32

Originally posted by Agathon
OK - I read you what you said about the premature specifications.

No. An Apple employee put it up by accident. It was the official Apple Store website.

Everyone knew that. But no one knew for sure and no one knew the specs.

It was on Apple's own site. They've admitted this in public. It was their mistake.

Sorry, but you are wrong on this one.

hi ,

nope , the first original link was a fake , ..... all the mods and specs where , ...... or do you want 25 screenshot post to prove it , .....

huh , the company knew in advance and the minimum specs where released in march , ..... so please , .....

have a nice day

**Agathon** · July 1, 2003, 18:36

Prove it then. Hundreds of people saw it on Apple's own site.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 18:39

Originally posted by Agathon
Prove it then. Hundreds of people saw it on Apple's own site.

hi ,

there is a huge difference between apple's own site and a shameless fake page made to look like the official page with fake specs and info , .......

have a nice day

**Agathon** · July 1, 2003, 18:51

Originally posted by panag

there is a huge difference between apple's own site and a shameless fake page made to look like the official page with fake specs and info.

Yes there is and the mistake was posted on Apple's own site.

Here is one of the places that reported it originally. I also saw people on forums who reported seeing it directly at the store.

Here's the link:

Think Secret

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/powermacg5.html

Here's a report of Apple's admission that it was their site and a mistake:

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http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59373,00.html

Note the text:

Details of the new machines already had been leaked on Apple's own website. Jobs made light of the snafu, calling it "premature specification.

And

Page not found | eWEEK

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1134825,00.asp

Apple chief executive Steve Jobs confirmed what sharp-eyed Internet watchers noticed last week on Apple's Web site: the new G5 systems, based on a 64-bit processor from IBM. Within Apple, the marketing glitch now goes by a new term: "premature specification."

There you have it in plain English from reputable news organisations.

So we have

1. People who believe that Apple mistakenly posted the G5 specs on their own website = Agathon and everyone else who's been reading the news.

2. People who believe that the pictures are fake = Panag.

Give me a break. You were wrong on this one.

**Panag** · July 1, 2003, 18:55

Originally posted by Agathon

Yes there is and the mistake was posted on Apple's own site.

Here is one of the places that reported it originally. I also saw people on forums who reported seeing it directly at the store.

Here's the link:

Think Secret

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/powermacg5.html

Here's a report of Apple's admission that it was their site and a mistake:

Page Not Found

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,59373,00.html

Note the text:

And

Page not found | eWEEK

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1134825,00.asp

There you have it in plain English from reputable news organisations.

So we have

1. People who believe that Apple mistakenly posted the G5 specs on their own website = Agathon and everyone else who's been reading the news.

2. People who believe that the pictures are fake = Panag.

Give me a break. You were wrong on this one.

hi ,

learn to read , .......

have a nice day

**Agathon** · July 2, 2003, 00:27

Originally posted by panag

hi ,

learn to read , .......

have a nice day

OK. You wrote...

but this is nothing more then a hoax , he just changed the page layout , this aint official what so ever , ......

this is just a prank

The problem is, it wasn't a hoax, it was a mistake. One of their employees mistakenly posted the stats for the new G5's. Apple have admitted this, why can't you?

Whether or not you or anyone else knew what the configurations were going to be before the leaked specs were posted is besides the point. The specs were leaked by being inadvertently posted on Apple's web site and Apple has admitted this. This was not the work of a hacker or photoshopper. If it were Apple wouldn't have said that it was their fault and it wouldn't have appeared on their own store page.

Anyone can read your posts and see for themselves that the facts contradict what you say.

And the facts are these:

1) The leaked G5 specs were accurate.

and

2) The accurate G5 specs were leaked on Apple's own web store site because of an internal "mistake' by an employee.

3) The pictures shown around the web are just captures of the Apple Store Page made by someone who visited it during the hour or so when the leaked specs were up.

Stop being pathetic.

**Panag** · July 2, 2003, 01:16

Originally posted by Agathon

OK. You wrote...

The problem is, it wasn't a hoax, it was a mistake. One of their employees mistakenly posted the stats for the new G5's. Apple have admitted this, why can't you?

Whether or not you or anyone else knew what the configurations were going to be before the leaked specs were posted is besides the point. The specs were leaked by being inadvertently posted on Apple's web site and Apple has admitted this. This was not the work of a hacker or photoshopper. If it were Apple wouldn't have said that it was their fault and it wouldn't have appeared on their own store page.

Anyone can read your posts and see for themselves that the facts contradict what you say.

And the facts are these:

1) The leaked G5 specs were accurate.

and

2) The accurate G5 specs were leaked on Apple's own web store site because of an internal "mistake' by an employee.

3) The pictures shown around the web are just captures of the Apple Store Page made by someone who visited it during the hour or so when the leaked specs were up.

Stop being pathetic.

hi ,

stop being pathetic , well do you really have nothing else to do then to post personal insults , .....

for the last time , and get this strait because it cant be that hard to understand , the first thing he posted was completely fake and out of the blue , it had nothing to do with an employee or any mistake what so ever , .....

now , it cant be that hard to understand that , ..... and why the heck is a lot of not so nice language from you needed when you post , .....

how would you feel if you got personal insults coming at you , .....

have a nice day

**Agathon** · July 2, 2003, 01:47

Originally posted by panag

stop being pathetic , well do you really have nothing else to do then to post personal insults , .....

What else is one supposed to do when confronted with such ridiculousness?

for the last time , and get this strait because it cant be that hard to understand , the first thing he posted was completely fake and out of the blue , it had nothing to do with an employee or any mistake what so ever , .....

No it was not. It was a capture of Apple's own web store site. At the time you could get various captures of it. I saw some of them, but Apple asked for them to be removed.

Here's eweek on the subject.

The Apple Store page was quickly pulled down, but not before screenshots and specifications were picked up by sites across the Mac Web, including MacMinute, MacCentral and MacRumors. The version of the specifications listed on MacRumors was "removed per the request of Apple" within a few hours of posting, and Apple Legal demanded MacMinute remove the image it posted.

That is what that picture is. There's no reason to think that it, or any of the others are fake. And every reason to think they are genuine given the press and Apple's response.

Now either you can't read or you are so hell bent on not admitting that you were wrong about such a trivial matter that you can't bring yourself to admit it. Please don't torment me or anyone else interested in the issue because of it.

**Panag** · July 2, 2003, 02:04

Originally posted by Agathon

What else is one supposed to do when confronted with such ridiculousness?

No it was not. It was a capture of Apple's own web store site. At the time you could get various captures of it. I saw some of them, but Apple asked for them to be removed.

Here's eweek on the subject.

That is what that picture is. There's no reason to think that it, or any of the others are fake. And every reason to think they are genuine given the press and Apple's response.

Now either you can't read or you are so hell bent on not admitting that you were wrong about such a trivial matter that you can't bring yourself to admit it. Please don't torment me or anyone else interested in the issue because of it.

hi ,

lets get some things strait , if you new these things then why did you wait five full days to say so , ....

and you still are not getting it , ....

if you feel you should continue to post insults , go ahead , .....

it does not need a rocket scientist to see the truth and figure it out , .....

point

have a nice day

**Tassadar500** · July 2, 2003, 02:37

Guys lets stop the insults. I dont know if you remember this but Apolyton is supposed to be "fun"

**CivPatriot** · July 2, 2003, 12:47

I agree, this discussion has gotten out of hand, if you want to continue this argument, do it in private, this is what the PM system is for(or email). Its making mac users look like petty arrogant people who argue over insignificant details. Let it rest.

**Agathon** · July 2, 2003, 12:57

Originally posted by CivPatriot
I agree, this discussion has gotten out of hand, if you want to continue this argument, do it in private, this is what the PM system is for(or email). Its making mac users look like petty arrogant people who argue over insignificant details. Let it rest.

Fair enough. I for one can't be bothered pointing out the obvious any more. The mods can close this thread whenever they like.

**monolith94** · July 6, 2003, 22:17

Who cares whether it was a hoax or not anyway? this is a perfect example of two people arguing, with neither willing to be 'the bigger man'.

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