Substitute units

[Centauri18]

Check in my 'Small Wonders Ideas' thread.

[Samiel]

check my thread some ideas for government and technologies and check my thread on

http://www.civ2-forum.gamigo.de/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=15

[mrboo123]

Originally posted by Samiel
How like you my Worldtradecenter???

I like it alot!

[Samiel]

123john321 look at my pictures on my German Thread. There are 2 more.

[arslankhan]

Copper! Funny I never noticed there isnt any copper in the game. Dont you need copper to make bronze?

[Samiel]

Copper! Funny I never noticed there isnt any copper in the game. Dont you need copper to make bronze?

Yes, to make bronze with iron and cooper.
how like you my idea with stone and wood?

[Optimizer]

Originally posted by arslankhan
Copper! Funny I never noticed there isnt any copper in the game. Dont you need copper to make bronze?

Yes, bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. Tin is the rarest of these, so it should be more critical than iron. The reason why iron is a strategic resource, but not copper or tin, seems to be game balance. If tin was needed to build spearmen, you would need a road network early in the game to survive.

Iron should be more common to reflect realism and help small civs.

[arslankhan]

I kind of like the idea of having to find copper and tin deposits in order to enter a Bronze Age with corresponding BA units. Iron Age would be easy, just find some iron. In the later industrial ages, copper and tin would become important resources again. Its all good but it just means more work for the programmers so it probably aint happenin' unfortunately.
Samiel, your wood and stone idea makes sense as well.

[Samiel]

What is ist to use teer(as extra recoures) to build Streets and motorways(or Highways or Autobahnen). Or silizium to produce Computers in the Modern Age. Or Water as extrem important Resources? Tht is realism.

[Optimizer]

Strategic resources are only straegic if they are hard to find. Silicon is extracted from stone, so silicon mines are not very politically important.

[Samiel]

Yes, yes optimizer, now i know why you call Optimizer(Besserwisser). Go you to any university? or are you a chemic, physik or somthing else Professor? What is whit Thermal force or Textiles or Beton or Salt or paper(or cellulose) or Fullerene or Diamants as Hightch resources or porzelan or cotton or ........
P.S.
Zu welcher Zeit bist du immer so im Netz?

[MoonWolf]

I like the substitute idea! I've also been thinking of adding more required resources to industrial and modern units, like you need iron to build tanks and ships (they are build of steel and I think steel is a product of iron and CO2)

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Optimizer

Iron should be more common to reflect realism and help small civs.

I question the need for iron resources early on -- in medieval Europe, most iron sources were local and alluvial and would be too insignificant to be represented on the Civ map. It wasn't until the 15th century that extraction technology, capital accumulation, and higher quality combined to make deposits like those in northern Sweden so important.

-Oz

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Optimizer

Yes, bronze is an alloy of copper and tin. Tin is the rarest of these, so it should be more critical than iron. The reason why iron is a strategic resource, but not copper or tin, seems to be game balance. If tin was needed to build spearmen, you would need a road network early in the game to survive.

MesoAmericans and Polynesians did quite well with weapons made from obsidian, sharks' teeth, etc ...

-Oz

[Optimizer]

Originally posted by Ozymandias
I question the need for iron resources early on -- in medieval Europe, most iron sources were local and alluvial and would be too insignificant to be represented on the Civ map. It wasn't until the 15th century that extraction technology, capital accumulation, and higher quality combined to make deposits like those in northern Sweden so important.
-Oz

Resources like Iron should maybe become more common after a certain tech, like Metallurgy.