SCENARIO: Modern World (In Progress! Nitpickers needed!)

[Jaguar]

I think Israel should be controlled by US. However, I'm still open to changing around Africa, South America, and the Muslim countries.


I have a feeling this is gonna be debated to death.

[Sheik]

you make a good point Cidifer.


It sure will jw

[sabrewolf]

hey, nice idea... looking forward

union of the muslim nations?
if so, don't forget the other african muslim nations (marokko, libya, algeria, tunisia, but also nigeria and other middle-african countries), former soviet muslim nations (turkmenistan, uskebistan, etc.) and various other nations (philipines, malaysia)

otherwise i'd suggest you divide your muslim nations union list into arabs (whole of north africa, middle east) and persian nations (iran, pakistan, afghanistan) and just lazily merge indonesia with your Southeast Asia civ - like nigeria probably is in your saharan african civ.

[sabrewolf]

REQUEST: can you do different world sizes and not just the giant/mega/giga size? maybe one huge, standard or something between?

tip: don't forget to spread resources, otherwise some nations will really have no chance at all (e.g. give civs without strategic resources some luxury resources.

[sabrewolf]

some more ideas:

- add some eastern european countries (hungry, czeck republic, poland and possibly the baltic states (estonia, lettonia, lithuania) and possible some of the former-yugoslav nations (slovenia, croatia, bosnia) to the european union... it's only a matter of time (approx. 10 years) until they will join the EU.
this would make the russian union a little weaker. same for usbekistan/turkmenistan as i said in an earlier post.

- israel as part of the USA makes sence. i agree with you, jaguar warrior

- forget venezuela, except for it's oil, it's not very important. why don't you merge it with argentina, making a spanish-speaking south american civ. mexico get's central america and the caribbeans (incl. cuba: allthough it's pseudo-communistic, it doesn't belong at all to china!) and brasil stays on it's own (jungle's are very powerful in civ3 when cleared). give brasil some advantages to compensate their size (e.g. luxuries: bananas, dyes, football-talent-hearth (the REAL football - most popular sport in the world), etc.)

- drop congo, use position for splitting the muslim civ (as in my first post)

- give taiwan to china. allthough they don't like belonging to china, they really are chinese, not japanese... power up japan by giving them more efficient workers (industrial) and a powerful and cheap navy and bombers.

- rename merged nations into "..... union". e.g.
o argentina+venezuela --> southern latin american nations
o mexico --> northern and central latin american nations
o great britain --> commonwealth
or shorter names of course

hope some ideas might be included thanks in advance!

how will you solve corruption in world-spread nations (e.g. britain+canada+australia)?

[Jaguar]

2 fp buildings will work pretty well for Britain's corruption problems. Random island outposts will still be corrupt and not big production centers.

Here's an idea to keep Japan and England from falling behind: Make a uber-resource that adds about 10 sheilds/trade. Put these near the world's great cities. Only an elite few will get this resource- Tokyo, London, New York, and maybe a couple others. The fact is that no 2nd/3rd world metropolises are gonna come close to these cities' power, even in 30 or 40 years. So it would be good to show these super powerful cities' importance. (The Now scenario at CFC made Japan and England bigger in land area, which is ugly and inaccurate.)

I like the idea of the Persian nations and the Arabs. I'm gonna do that.

More later, I'm gonna eat dinner now.

[Jaguar]

SA is almost done, just working on inner Brazil. I think I'll promise all continents but Asia and Africa done by next Tuesday.

I have 15 civs right now, you tell me what you think should be the 16th. (Or other changes)

In parentheses are countries that are put in this group. If the group is named after the country, I didn't bother putting them in parentheses.

1. England (Canada and Australia)
2. USA (Israel)
3. Japan (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore)
4. EU (EU countries)
5. Russia (Little Asian countries)
6. Southeast Asia (Thailand, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam)
7. Mexico (Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador)
8. Spanish South America (Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay(?), Uruguay, Argentina, Chile)
9. Brazil (Paraguay?)
10. South Africa (All non-arab Africa)
11. Arab States (North Africa and ME)
12. Persian States (Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan)
13. Russia (Some of East Europe)
14. China (NK, Mongolia, Nepal, Tibet)
15. India


I still don't think the Taiwanese should be under a Communist State. Same with SK, Taiwan, and Singapore. US takes them, maybe? Or they could be separate from Japan.

[Jaguar]

Uber-Resource: Saltpeter? I could just make it not required for Cavs, and make it a bonus resource. Saltpeter isn't very important at this time. All civs will have riflemen at least.

I could also use horses if I needed multi-level uber-resources.

[GePap]

Jaguar:

I think how you arrange the states should be based on what you think should happen, or at least, eb most likely to happen in your scenerio.

Let me give an exmaple: i once was making a cold war scenerio in 1983, which obviously is simpler than what you are trying, to still: The way I arranged states was by ideological blocks. I made the Us seperate from the Rest of Nato, had the Warsaw pact as one, then arranged states as either neutrals, Us allies, Soviet allies, and states not allies, but leaning either for the US or for the Soviets. Under this scheme, Syria, Egypt, Israel, Iraq, and Iran where all in different civs, because in reality, they had varying aims. Under what i sought to simulate, a cld war battle between the two superpowers, making all the arab states the same, as is so commonly done, amde no sense, since they would not all have just allied with the soviet and attacked israel (which was lumped with taiwan, South Africa, and other strong US allies), specially Egypt.

I mention all of that to simply make a point: whats the point of the scenerio? What do you think should, or could happen? when you laytest it, what woul you like o see? I think answering these questions is crucial to deciding what sattes should go were.

[Plan Austral]

Excuse me but I disagree with the south americans civilizations, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay should be under a same civilization called Mercosur (That is like the European Union of Latin America), and there are much more things I share in common with a Brazilian than with a Colombian, even culturally.
Chile and Bolivia will probably join the mercosur in the next 15 years.

You should have 2 civilizations in South America, The Mercosur (Argentina,Brazil,Uruguay,Paraguay + chile and bolivia) and the Andean Community (Venezuela,Colombia,Ecuador and Peru), you can even include Panama in the Andean Community, it used to be a part of Colombia.

[Jaguar]

Creo que El Mercosur va a empequenecer los Naciones Andinos si lo uso... Brazil y Argentina juntos son muy poderoso.

[Jaguar]

Pero estoy en acuerdo. Es el opcion mejor.

[Plan Austral]

That would be the most accurate thing, but, if you want you can take out Bolivia from The Mercosur and put it in the andean community.

[sabrewolf]

ok, then take mercosur and the andean states.

i still believe brasil and the spanish speaking countries (paraguay too, btw) should be two seperate civs, because mercosur is more like a trade federation (economy-based... and economics can change fast), while the cultural and language difference is something permanent.
but otoh an argument of an argentinian is most probably more valid than an argument of a swiss

[Jaguar]

Do you think I should use Harlan's Resource Mod?