MOD: WW2 Mod, Including Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, new Units etc...

[ijeffe]

Originally posted by Grey Fox



Thanks... very good!


As you can see I need help with this mod... that's why I'm releasing half-finished releases so I can get these Feedbacks!

Thanks everyone and keep helping me!

Me109f is regarded as a superior plane to the 109g that replaced it. The addition of heavier armamnent on the 109g reduced the manoeverabilty and combat agility of the 109f. I suggest ignoring the existence of the g variant.

I'm happy to advise on the relative technical merits of aircraft of WWII.

Also, B17's were superior to B24 in all but the Pacific theatre, B24's had a slightly longer range which made them more suitable for 'over the water' missions. B17's carried a larger payload, and were acclaimed as the greatest heavy bomber of WWII. (and I'm NOT American!).

Re: Spitfire/Hurricane. The Spitfire was a superior combat aircraft, but like any thoroughbred was trickier to fly. The Hurricane was cheaper to produce, slightly more durable in combat and a more stable gun platform. It was also used as a ground attack/tank killer much more so than the Spit.

Nice Mod! Great Concept. Good Luck!

[kentonio]

Germany lost 1 Panther to 5 Shermans or 3 T-34 in direct fights to give you an idea of the difference of quality between these steel monsters

And had an even better record with the mighty Tiger Tank, there are numerous reports of Tigers just sitting wrecking tank after tank as the enemy shells just bounced off it.

Kentonio

[Grey Fox]

We are now a team!

MOVED: All info regarding the Team and the next version can be found in the first post.

[LordBashHeart]

That is just too cool man... Way to go. Will get it going 2nite straight after work.

Cheers 2 all the ppl who contributed 2 it.

-LordBashHeart

[ijeffe]

The spitfire MkI could hardly be considered a special unit as far as the Uk was concerned. The MKII was prevalent in the battle of Britain (together with the Hurricane MKI). The Mk V was better at altitude, but is I were to suggrest the most influential British fighter it would be the Spit MkII NOT the MKI. If you are looking for a late war fighter upgrade, forget the Spits. MK IX was probably the most widely used, but I believe the best replacement to be the Hawker Tempest or later the Hawker Typhoon. Certainly NOT the Spit 18 whic played a very minor role.

[ijeffe]

Extra info! The Hellcat entered service before the Corsair - Corsair was a stunning plane. However, the best, most influential , fighter aircraft of World War II were the FW190A and the P51D Mustang.

[Grey Fox]

Originally posted by ijeffe
The spitfire MkI could hardly be considered a special unit as far as the Uk was concerned. The MKII was prevalent in the battle of Britain (together with the Hurricane MKI). The Mk V was better at altitude, but is I were to suggrest the most influential British fighter it would be the Spit MkII NOT the MKI. If you are looking for a late war fighter upgrade, forget the Spits. MK IX was probably the most widely used, but I believe the best replacement to be the Hawker Tempest or later the Hawker Typhoon. Certainly NOT the Spit 18 whic played a very minor role.

Great, that's why I posted what I had compiled so far, so I could get this feedback. Good!

Then I change and see what others will say...

Originally posted by ijeffe
Extra info! The Hellcat entered service before the Corsair - Corsair was a stunning plane. However, the best, most influential , fighter aircraft of World War II were the FW190A and the P51D Mustang.

More useful info, thanks... almost missed that one.

[Tridotan1]

The spitfire MkI could hardly be considered a special unit as far as the Uk was concerned. The MKII was prevalent in the battle of Britain (together with the Hurricane MKI). The Mk V was better at altitude, but is I were to suggrest the most influential British fighter it would be the Spit MkII NOT the MKI. If you are looking for a late war fighter upgrade, forget the Spits. MK IX was probably the most widely used, but I believe the best replacement to be the Hawker Tempest or later the Hawker Typhoon. Certainly NOT the Spit 18 whic played a very minor role.

Yes, you are correct but the Spitfire Mk1 should be the special unit because the special unit is just generally supposed to be an early spitfire. Just as Spitfire Mk18 is not meant to be the Mk18 but just represents a late spitfire.

Grey Fox,
You should not have both the British special plane and the american special plane as the second plane. And whoever said that Corsair came before Hellcat is wrong.

Suggested Plane Chains :

Hawker Hurricane -> Spitfire Mk1 -> de Havilland Mosquito -> Gloster Meteor
Wildcat -> Corsair -> Hellacat -> P51D Mustang
Yak 3 -> A6M2 Zero -> Kawasaki Ki-61
Ta-52H -> FW 190-a -> Bf109e -> Me 262 A-1a

[ijeffe]

We can debate chains of aircraft forever, but when designing a mod you need to think about how the stats will change as you progress through the game. For example, in reality there was very little to choose between a Hurricane and a Spitfire MkI. And if you are going to replace the Corsair with the Hellcat, given that the Corsair was a superior plane, who would want to bother? Unless you make them falsely cheap.

Also, shouldn't the special units be ones that made that country great? It was not the Spit I that won the battle of Britain but the MkII.

Again, I don't think equipment that didn't really play a major role in WWII should feature - the Gloster Meteor had little in any impact on the war.

I would like to suggest extending the age of airpower. At the outbreak of War, Britain still had Goster Gladiators, the Germans had Bf109b's the Japanese had Claude's, the Russians the Polikarpov I-16.... the time the Amercans entered the war their mainstay was the P-40

I'd suggest using an early model fighter for each nation - this will allow the prospect of an upgrade to be something worth waiting for.

suggestions:
Gloster Gladiator->Spitfire MKII(SU)->Hawker Tempest/DH Mosquito
Bf109b->Me109f/FW190A->Me262

Finally - YAK's are Russian not Japanese.

[kentonio]

IJeffe Im with you on this one, it is more more practical to start with a very early plane and then make several decent steps. I also think its more sense to just use the model type ie spitfire etc rather than worry about whether its Mk 1 or Mk 2. For game purposes the upgrade to spitfires should be a really positive one. Personally if im playing a game I dont really care whether its a Mk1 or Mk2 ive just upgraded to as long as it gives me air superiority. It could be very easy to get caught up in too much detail. Lets keep it clear and simple.

Also lets not start thinking in terms of 'special units'. All units in the mod will be nation specific anyway with the minor exception of equipment used by both Britain and the Americans.

Kentonio

[Machinae]

Unit File

I tried to download the Unit File and received a 404 Error. Is it my system, or is the file no longer hosted on that site?

Thanks

Machinae

[Tridotan1]

Also lets not start thinking in terms of 'special units'. All units in the mod will be nation specific anyway with the minor exception of equipment used by both Britain and the Americans.

What everyone means is that these are the units with added stats. in order to make the modder's paperwork easier and the game more balanced most units of the same era and type have the same stats, except the special unit. All civs have the same amount of special units.

Kentonio,

I agree with you as far as Mks of planes are concerned. i was opting for an early spitfire and a late spitfire with mks to show that fact.

ijeffe,

The reason meteors and other jet planes played such a minor role is because the only thing going on at that time was bombing, which bombers did and shooting down V1s, which they did very well. They were the best planes in the British airforce at the end regardless of whether they were used or not. They woul have been used very well had there still benn dogfights at the time they were invented. Therefore I think that they should be put on the end of the British plane chain. Names are simply there to make the game better, it is irrelavant whether they were used well or not. It doesn't really bother me however whether they are put in or not but I think that it would be nice to round of the British plane chain with an early jet fighter.

[MC4K]

Your mod looks great but i cant download the units. i click on the link and it says page cannot be found.
is the link broken or is it just me being stupid?

tnx
MC

[ijeffe]

I too am not bothered what units go into the game, but my concern with adding a plane like the Meteor that a player's airforce will ultimately consist mainly of Jets, which would I think totally ruin the flavour of a WWII scenario. Only play testing would see if this is the case.

I know it makes designing easier if units of similar class and similar era were given identical stats, BUT quite clearly that was not the case in WWII itself, especially at the outbreak where German units outclassed almost everything else. I would like to see this reflected in the game. So what if it make winning with the germans easier - you don't have to play the Germans or you can hike up the difficulty level.

Designing this sort of scenario I would aim for each nation to have a diferent flavour. What's the point of having units that have different names but are essentially identical?

Re:Meteor - I'm not wholly in agreement that it was the best the British had - it was the fastest, but it was initially flawed.

[kentonio]

Ijeffe is exactly right, we want this mod to have units of widely ranging stats, not just a different little picture. As for saving the mod-maker work, screw that. When someone takes on a project as huge as this one. (think 22 different tank and animations minimum, and thats just the tanks) they are hardly expected to just copy a load of stuff to save time.

Anyway, hopefully it will kcik ass

Kentonio