Firaxis Games Public Beta Team

[Smash]

This is the best decision that Firaxis has made.Should have been done eons ago.

Put some Civ2 players on the team!!!...there is a reason that game is still going strong today.ESPECIALLY some civ2 MULTIPLAYERS...they do know how to play single play

[bobT]

To bad you are doing this for Americans only, especially when I can walk to Detroit from my home in Canada, but I am going to link this thread to I-ChallengeU.com In our Civ3 section. A great chance for all of those living in the states.

[ravagon]

Originally posted by Smash
ESPECIALLY some civ2 MULTIPLAYERS...they do know how to play single play

They do???!!!

And on the serious side ... Probably should have happened earlier but better late than never.

[stend]

Originally posted by Travathian
They need to take note of Blizzard, you know the guys who do a public beta test THEN release the game, not the other way around.

If that eliminates the need for fixes, then what is this

[Frank Johnson]

While its fine to say better late than never, once a project has come as far a long as civ3 has the ammount of influance the beta team can have on the project is limited, when compared to what they might have done if they had been involved eariler.

Its hard for us to speculate what they will actually use the beta team for. Maybe they just want to give us the courtesy to put a few more hundred hours playtesting into a patch before releasing it to us after enduring the hailstorm of bug complaints from the original release. Maybe they want help with ideas for improving the scenario and editing tools, but there's nothing specific in the request to lead to that. Another thought is the testing or impletmenting of multiplayer.....this is where actual player feed back and massive testing is a big need.....and a good guess of where the resources might go.......but still its unlikely that this group of beta testers will greatly alter the game we already know as civ3, good or bad.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Yeah, I sadly have to agree that maybe this will not change Civ3 by anywhere near as much as could have been altered before its release (but then again, pleasant surprises are all good ), yet it sounds to me like Firaxis has realized something, and is doing what they can to rectify the problems. Even if this doesn't help immediately, I expect improvements in games to come...

Wouldn't you rather have a better Civ 4 with fan input and consultation than get Firaxis to give up on the series completely after this one (admittedly large) blip on the graph...

I would.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Idea so Non-Americans can get some input.

Hey!

In order that the millions... and millions of Civ3's non-American fans get some input into the beta testing, can we get some thread set up to offer suggestions to the team that gets selected? Or even just get a moderator to occasionally collate some ideas and get them to the team?

And if anyone from Firaxis is reading, is it possible that, before the legal thingies are signed, is it too hard to allow members of the beta team that frequent Apolyton, Civfanatics or other sites with discussion fora to ask for specific ideas from the other posters? For example if there was the idea of improving or adding units in an expansion, they would be allowed to start a thread here asking for ideas on what ppl like about existing units or compile a list of units ppl want to see?

Do you smell what I'm cookin' here?

[MarkG]

i dont think any names will be announced. in fact the only indication will be if someone disappears from the forums...

[MrWhereItsAt]

Well, yeah. It would come about because someone is brave enough (or stupid enough) to announce it themselves, and have to cope with the swarms of email, both prank and otherwise, that they would get.

That's why perhaps we could ask for members to with a moderator or other sufficiently powerful (forum-wise) person and get them to arrange things. Or otherwise just instigate a thread or beta forum so that the team's anonymity can be preserved, yet those of us with something to say can still be heard!

I throw this out to the floor...what do YOU think?

[Zealot]

Public Beta testers for Firaxis? Aren't they like 5 months late?

Although I do applaud for an open beta test to every game, I have to rant that most probably many testers will be used to test SimGolf, in order to "clean" the quality "face" of Firaxis after the failure to launch Civ 3 shinning and polished.

Of course I want Sim Golf to be a great game, but Civ 3 should have gotten a lot more attention from the Firaxis administration board, because if Civ 3 isn't polished enough to meet the public expectation, that is certainly due to insufficient human resources available to the development of the project. And this is even more a bigger issue, since this board allowed two projects to be running simultaneously!

In short, Firaxis should have started this public beta testers search a lot sooner.

[Dan Magaha FIRAXIS]

Re: Public Beta testers for Firaxis? Aren't they like 5 months late?

Originally posted by Zealot
Although I do applaud for an open beta test to every game, I have to rant that most probably many testers will be used to test SimGolf, in order to "clean" the quality "face" of Firaxis after the failure to launch Civ 3 shinning and polished.

Didn't you post this exact same message elsewhere already?

In any case, here are some fun facts:

1) Jeff is putting together the beta team.
2) Jeff is not the producer on (or for that matter involved in any way with) SimGolf.
3) SimGolf has already gone gold.

You can draw your own conclusions with these facts, but they don't lead to a putting green...


Dan

[MarkG]

a secret plan to get civers to test simgolf?
what an amazing idea zealot! firaxis should have thought of this much earlier(preferrably before the game going gold)

[Zealot]

Re: Re: Public Beta testers for Firaxis? Aren't they like 5 months late?

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Didn't you post this exact same message elsewhere already?

Yes, I did, but MarkG closed my thread short after I created it. Despite having a short discussion with him, because he has the opinion that I should have posted my comment in this thread instead of creating a new one in the General forum, and I have the opinion that this would cause what we all know as "threadjacking".
Today I sent him a pm saying that I would copy and paste into here if he had no answer to give me about my request for him to re-open my original thread. He didn't reply. So I guess it's his intention to keep anything with the words "beta test" and "Firaxis" only in this thread.
The reason I wanted a separate thread is because my comment is just about Firaxis' Beta testing politic, which I criticize for being, IMO, a tad too late for Civ 3; and not about how wide the requisites for being a beta tester should be.

I don't consider myself one of those guys who aren't ever happy until they get everything their way, but I also think that every one's "space" should be respected in this wonderful forum. I still feel that I'm invading Firaxis "space" with such "off-topic" post, but I don't want to have an unpleasant relationship with a moderator but still discuss my subject with the community. I think both things are possible, without hurting anyone's feelings.

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
In any case, here are some fun facts:

1) Jeff is putting together the beta team.
2) Jeff is not the producer on (or for that matter involved in any way with) SimGolf.
3) SimGolf has already gone gold.

You can draw your own conclusions with these facts, but they don't lead to a putting green...Dan

1- As I said before, he should have started earlier.
2- Do you clearly mean that no tester will be asked to help on SimGolf?
3- So has Civ 3 a long time ago, but you'll need testers for SimGolf patches anyway.

I'm sorry for any inconvenience.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by MarkG
a secret plan to get civers to test simgolf?

A secret evil plan!

Originally posted by MarkG
what an amazing idea zealot! firaxis should have thought of this much earlier(preferrably before the game going gold)

I gave my opinion why I thought this way in point 3 of my post above.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Zealot
I gave my opinion why I thought this way in point 3 of my post above.

actually, you didnt give a single reason on why would firaxis look for simgolf testers in the civ3 creation and strategy forums