Wonder Guide

[smellymummy]

if you play a militaristic civ, your chances improve to get a leader. Some games I get more leaders than I have options to build wonders - that is I get a leader rush a wonder, get another leader rush another wonder, etc etc, to the point where I just have a leader sitting idle until I get a tech with wonder building.

[Windwalker]

Originally posted by player1
Sheakespear Th. - 0 (ZERO)
What's the point of this wonder.

Shakespeare's Theater has the highest cultural rating of any wonder in the game (8!). It's a good wonder to get if you're going for cultural victory of a single city, but otherwise is probably a waste of time

- Windwalker

[smellymummy]

asides from it cultural value, shakespeare's theatre makes tons of people content. Say you have a city smack in the middle of grassland and/or floodplains, you can imagine how large in population it will reach. Build the theatre and you won't hardly have to worry about that city ever going into disorder.

Very useful wonder for me

[Ironikinit]

I happened to be looking at the box yesterday and there's a screenie of a city view with what looks like every wonder in the game, even the iron works. I thought, wow, how'd they get their city to look so good? Oh. Not so hard when you have the gardens, shakespeare's, and the sistine all in one neighborhood.

[KithrupFugitive]

Odds of Getting a GL

A comment on the odds of getting a GL issue:

Think of this just like flipping a coin. The odds of getting heads on any flip are 50/50. If you flip a coin 10 times it is possible to get no heads, 10 heads, 5 heads or any other number of heads between 0 and 10. Getting anything other than 5 heads out of 10 coin flips does not mean the odds of getting heads are not 50/50. But, the more times you flip the coin the closer you will be to a 50/50 split between number of heads and tails you get.

Similarly, the odds of getting a leader from an elite unit victory for each individual attack are 1/16 (1/12 for militaristic civs). Out of 100 battles you could get no leaders and out of 3 battles you could get 2. This does not change the odds.

So, if you want to see the "expected" result -- a GL every 12 or 16 battles -- you'll just need to make a lot of attacks with elite units

[Arrian]

Great Leader Generation

Well said. That's it exactly. I can see that it could be frustrating for those who expect to get 1 leader per 16 elite victories. I've had 30 or so w/o a leader, and I've gotten a leader from the first elite victory.

On Shakespeare's:

Great for the culture points, and it can be nice to have 1 city that will not, under just about any circumstances, go into disorder. But to be honest, I usually skip it for other wonders I feel are more important.

-Arrian

[Ironikinit]

Actually, Shakey's is one that you don't mind an enemy getting. It makes it easier to keep their city.

[trickey]

How come so many people are dissing the Great Library??? Do they realize just how much money it can make you??? When i build it, i usually set my science to zero and load up on the cash. Then when somebody finally gets education, you will have enough cash to by all the other techs and open a huge lead in the space race. It is also very usefull if you wan't to go to war in the ancient era and dont want to fall hopelessly behind.

Thx

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Trickey,

on higher levels the tech acceleration goes too fast, reducing the benefits of GL.
By the time you've built the GL (that is IF you succeed in beating the AI civs), education will lure (or lurk?) around the corner.

AJ

[Arrian]

I play on Monarch, and I love the Great Library. I usually build it right around the same time as the AI gets the Pyramids (I use Pyramids as a shield holder, and sometimes build the GL before the AI gets done with the Pyramids... though not usually). At that point, I have usually researched my way to literature, along with math, and have bought the wheel. The GL gets me pottery, warrior code, ironworking (though sometimes I buy this), mapmaking, mysticism, polytheism, monarchy, construction, horsebackriding, and whatever else there is besides currency and republic, which I research myself. Then I'm into the Middle Ages, and the GL will get me Monotheism, Engineering and sometimes Invention before I get Education (either through the GL or by researching it myself).

I'm sure one could buy oneself to tech parity w/o the GL, but I like doing it this way, and it does provide a ton of culture.

-Arrian

[ixnay]

Theory of Evolution now gives you two techs; whatever you are currently working on plus whatever you choose after that, so it works like it did in civ2.

[Jaguar]

Re: Re: Wonder Guide (incomplete)

Originally posted by Monoriu
Personally I'll give it a 0.

Then personally you are stupid.

The GL is well worth the leader rush. That's how you have to get it. Pretty much the only way too, I've never got it normally on a high difficulty level.

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

Shakespeare i

Originally posted by Windwalker


Shakespeare's Theater has the highest cultural rating of any wonder in the game (8!). It's a good wonder to get if you're going for cultural victory of a single city, but otherwise is probably a waste of time

- Windwalker

Shakespeare's Theater isn't a must have wonder, but it isn't that pointless/useless as many of you state. Imagine a city surrounded by masses of grass lands ... imagine yourself succeeding in building or rushing Newton's University, Shakespeare's Theater and SETI Program: you'd experience the best science output ever possible in civ3. A side effect of the combined use of these three wonders in one city (the so called super science city) is that you'd probably be able to lower your civ's science rate, generating more gold, useable for instantly buying the newest and necessary improvements or for building up your army.

Generally, I think most Great Wonders have some use, and if possible (which of course isn't) you should build almost all of them.

AJ

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

for a super science city Copernicus' Observatory can't be left out of course ...

AJ

[trickey]

AJ,

Thanks i never thought of that.

-trickey