Announcement

**ancient** · November 13, 2001, 22:33

Changes

Main Features V2.0

-Updated Civilopedia
- Fascism
- Theocracy
- Democratic Socialism
- Constitutional Monarchy
- Rebalanced Governments
- Introduction of Rate Caps
- Varying Gold Support
- Rebalanced Naval Units
- Rebalanced Air Units
- Cheaper Nuclear Weapons
- Cheaper Bombard Units
- Reduced Corruption
- Redone Leader Personality's (to reflect new govs)
- Modified Worker Effects
- Reverse Culture
- Modified Wonders & Improvements
- Modified Success Rates
- Better chance to counter Air missions
- More Manageable pollution
- Faster Naval Units
- Increased Paratrooper Range
-More Civ2 Styled Rules
-Changed Colors

Full Changes

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Government changes
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----------------Anarchy
-immune to build embassy
-diplomats are conscript
-spies are conscript
-resistant fa:5 fu:5 ds:-15
-rate cap 5
-propaganda ds-30
-war weariness is high
-worker rate is 50%

----------------Despotism
-3 units free for town
-5 free for metro
-resistant fa:0 fu:-5
-propaganda fa:0 fu:0
-rate cap 6
Monarchy
-5 free units per city
-7 free units per metro
-resistant fa:0 fu:5
-propaganda fa:-5 fu:-10
-rate cap 8
-worker rate is 100%

---------------Comunism
-worker rate of three
-m. police limit 4
-work rate is 150%
-paid labor
-1 free unit per town
-4 free units per city
-8 free units per metropolis
-units cost 2 to support
-Propaganda a:40 des:25 m:15 c:0 R:10 D:5 fa:-10 fu:-15 Sd:-5
-standard tile bonus
-resistance Fu:-15 fa:-10 sd:-10
-rate cap 9
-Spies are now Elite

---------------Republic
-1 free unit per city
-2 free units per metro
-2 free units
-corruption is now only nuisance
-resistance fa:0 fu:-5
-rate cap 9
-standard trade bonus
-worker rate 200%

---------------Democracy
-worker rate is 250%
-diplomats are veteran
-spies are conscript
-now immune to sabotage production
-5% assimilation chance
-1 free unit per metropolis, town and city
-6 free units
-units cost 2 to support
-Resistance fa:15 fu:5
-Propaganda fa:15 fu:-15
-rate cap 10

------------------Fascism
-prerequisite Nationalism
-Corruption Nuisance
-free units: 4,t 6,c 10,m
-diplomats are regular
-spies are veteran
-immune to investigate city
-worker rate is 100%
-3% assimilation chance
-draft limit 4
-military police limit is 4
-forced labor
-1 gold per unit
-forced labor
-Propaganda A:25 Des:15 m:5 c:0 r:-5 d:-10 fa:-5 fu:-15 ds:10
-rate cap 7

---------------Theocracy
-Prerequisite Monotheism
-all units free
-corruption minimal
-worker rate 2
-cant hurry
-no war wearyness
-resistance A:20 Des:15 M:10 C:5 R:0 D:-15 Fa:5 fu:0
-diplomats are conscript
-spies are conscript
-no immunitys
-1 draft limit
-0 military police
-propaganda a:20 des:10 m:5 c:-15 r:5 d:0 fa:5 fu:-5 Ds:10
-assimilation chance 1%
-rate cap 6

----------------Democratic Socialism
-Preresiquite Radio
-Corruption is problematic
-Rate Cap is 9
-Worker Rate is 200%
-Assimilation Chance is 10%
-Draft Limit 1
-Military Police Limit is two
-Paid Labor Rush
-Requires Maintenace
-standard trade bonus
-free units: 2t,3c,4m 5 free units auto
-units cost 2 apeice
-immune to Expose Enemy Mole
-Diplomats are Veteren
-Spies are Regular
-Low War Weariness
-Resistance: A:30 Des:25 M:5 C:20 R:5 D:0 Fa:10 T:-10 DS:0
-Propagande A:50 Des:0 M:10 C:5 R:10 Dec:5 Fa:15 T:-5 Ds:-5
-1 military police limit.

------------------Constitutional Monarchy
-Prerequisite Education
-Rate cap is 8
-draft limit is 3
-Military Police limit is 2
-Free units 3t/5c/7m 1 gold apice after
-Diplomats are veterans spies are regular
-Immune to steal plans
-Paid Labor Rush
-low war wearieness
-Standard Trade Bonus
-Requires maintenance
-Corruption is a nuisance
-Resistance modifier a:30 des:25 m:25 c:10 r:0 d:-5 f:5 T:-10 Ds:-15 Cm:0
-Espionage

[Civilization Changes worth mentioning]

Rome now favors Fascism, and shuns Communism (5) {white}
Egypt favors Monarchy and Shuns Republic (3) {light pink}
Greece Favors Democracy and shuns Theocracy (2) {bright green}
Babylon favors Theocracy and Shuns Communism (3) {dark blue}
Germany favors Fascism and shuns Socialist Democracy (4) {blue}
Russia Favors Communism and Shuns Fascism (3) {brown}
China favors Communism and shuns Constitutional Monarchy (2) {yellow}
America favors Democracy and shuns Communism (4) {light blue}
Japan Favors Fascism and Shuns Republic (5) {pea green}
France Favors Democratic Socialism and Shuns Monarchy (3) {dark pink}
India favors Democracy and shuns fascism (1) {dark purple}
Persia favors Theocracy and Shuns Democratic Socialism (3) {teal}
Aztecs favor Monarchy and shun Communism (4) {evergreen}
Zulu favor Fascism and Shun Democracy (5) {black}
Iroqois Favor Democratic Socialism and shun Fascism (3) {light brown}
England favor Constitutional Monarchy and shuns Democracy (4) {orange}

(+_ indicates aggresiveness 1 being lowest, 5 highest)

Unit Stats
Mech Infantry's Defence was raised to 20 (+2), its attack was decrease to 12 (-2), and its price was dropped to 10 (-1)
Chariot now has 3 moves, and 2 attack, thats +1
Jaguar Warriors now have 2 attack (+1)
war chariot is now 3/1/3
Musketmen now cost 5
Knights now cost 6
Riflemen now cost 7
Infantry now cost 8
Tanks mow have 4 movement ponts, +2
Panzers now have 4 movement +1
Mech infantry now have 5 movement points 20 defense and 11 atack and cost 11
Modern amor now have 6 movement points, +2
Paratrooper range is now 6
Impis Now Have 2/2/2 over 1/2/2 and cost 3
Panzers have 5 movement

Origional
New
Unit/A.D.M/B.R.F/(T)/Cost/Resource

-Cruise Missile/0.0.1/16.2.3/(0)/C6/Aluminum
Now Cost only 4
-Tactical Nuke/0.0.1/C30/Aluminum.Uranium
Now costs only 10
-ICBM/0.0.1/C60/Aluminum.Uranium
Now Cost only 20
-Frigate/2.2.4/2.1.2/(0)C6/Iron.Saltpeter
is now 4.2.4/4.1.2/(0)C5/""
-Man-O-War/3.4.3/3.1.2/(0)/C6/Iron.Saltpeter
is now 5.3.4/5.1.2/(0)/C5""
-Privateer /1.1.3/0.0.0/(0)/C6/Iron.Saltpeter
Is now 4.2.3/0.0.0/(0)/C4/Saltpeter
-Ironclad/4.4.4/4.1.2/(0)/C8/Iron.Coal
Is now 3.5.4/3.1.2/(0)/C6/""
-Destroyer/12.8.5/6.1.2/(0)/C12/Oil
Is now 14.8.8/16.3.4/(0)/C10/""
-Submarine/6.4.3/0.0.0/(0)/C10/Oil
Is now 9.4.4/0.0.0/(1)/C8/"" (can now carry 1 footsoldier unit ex infantry)
-Battleship/18.12.5/8.2.2/(0)/C20/Oil
is now 17.11.7/20.5.4/(0)/C14/""
-AEGIS Cruiser/12.10.5/4.2.2/(0)/16/Aluminum.Uranium
is now 14.10.10/8.5.4/(1)/10/"" (can now cary 1 tactical missile)
Transports
-Galley/1.1.3/0.0.0/(2)/C3/
Is now/1.1.4/0.0.0/(2)/C3/
-Caravel/1.2.3/0.0.0/(3)/C4/
is now 1.4.3/0.0.0/(3)/C3/
-Galleon/1.2.4/0.0.0/(4)/C6/
is now 1.4.4/0.0.0/(4)/C4/
-Transport 1.4.5/0.0.0/(8)/C10/Oil
is now 1.5.8/0.0.0/(8)/C8/""
-Carrier/1.8.4/0.0.0/(4)/C18/Oil
is now2.9.7/0.0.0/(6)/C14/""
-Nuc. Submarine/6.4.3/0.0.0/(1)/C12/Uranium
is now 14.6.8/0.0.0/(2)C14/""
-Bomber/0.2.1/8.6.3/(0)/C10/Oil
is now 0.2.1/12.8.3/(0)/C6/""
-Stealth Fighter/0.0.1/4.6.2/(0)/C12/Oil.Aluminum
is now 0.0.1/8.8.5/(0)/C8/""
-Stealth Bomber/0.0.1/8.8.1/(0)/C24/Oil.Aluminum
is now 0.0.1/24.8.6/(0)/C10/""
-Fighter/4.2.1/2.4.1/(0/C8/Oil
is now 4.2.1/4.4.1/(0)/C4/""
-Jet Fighter/8.4.1/2.6.1/(0)/C10/Oil.Aluminum
is now/8.4.1/4.8.3/(0)/C8/""
-F-15/8.4.1/4.6.2/(0)/C10/Oil.Aluminum
is now 10.4.1/5.8.4/(0)/C8/""
-Helicopter/0.2.1/0.4.0/(1)/C8/Oil.Rubber
is now 0.2.1/0.6.0/(1)/C2

Patch History

V1.8
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-Democratic socialism is now tamed/bolstered..
-Constitutional monarchy added..
-Republic no longer recieves full trade bonus
-Citizens Born Happy
Cheiftan 5
Warlord 4
Regent 3
Monarch 2
Emperror 1
Deity 0
-Naval unit movement Boost
-Archer now has Three attack, raised one from two
-Chariot now has 3 moves, and 2 attack, thats +1
-Musketmen now cost 5
-Knights now cost 6
-Riflemen now cost 7
-Infantry now cost 8
-Tanks mow have 3 mvement ponts, +1
-Panzers now have 4 movement +1
-Mech infantry now have 4 movement points
-Modern amor now have 5 movement points, +2
-Paratrooper range is now 6
-war chariot is now 3/2/3
-Paratrooper range is now 6
-Impis Now Have 2/2/2 over 1/2/2
-Calvalry will now upgrade to Tank
-Longbowman will now upgrade to Rifleman

V1.5
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-Caraval defense is now 3 -1
-Galleon defense is now 4 +1
-Radar Artillery now Cost 10 compared to 12
-Artillery cost 6 compared to 8 before
-Nuc. Subs attack is now 12 -2
-Democratic Socialism Added
-fundamentalism Renamed Theocracy
-Communism now gets only 8 free units per metropolis compared to 10.
-Reverse Culture is added
-culture rules are changed
-Wonders are Modified
-Scientist now produce +2 science
-Tax Collectors Produce +2 Gold
-Germany now favors Democratic Socialism and shuns monarchy
-France now Favors Democratic Socialism and Shuns Despotism
-Persia now favors Fundamentalism and Shuns Democratic Socialism
-Iroqois Favor Democratic Socialism and shun fascism

V 1.35
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-Privateer is now /40/4.2.3.0/0.0.0/Saltpeter instead of /50/2.1.2/0.0.0/Iron Saltpeter
-Ironclad now has 5 defense, lowered from 6
-Submarine now has 9 attack, compared to 8 earlier
-Battleship Attack is now 17, +1, defense now has 11 defense, 1 higher than before
-Destroyers defense was raised to 8, +1.
-Carrier can now carry 8 airplanes.
-Frigates now have 4A 2D and 3M, thats -1 from v1.25 in all forms
-Fundamentalism now has rate cap of 6 and is available through
Monotheism, not polytheism.
-Despotism now has a rate cap of 6.
-Rome now favors Fasism, and shuns Communism
-Greece now Favors Democracy and shuns fundamentlism
-Babylon now favors Fundamentalism and Shuns Communism
-Russia now Favors Communism and Shuns Fascism
-Japan now Favors Fascism and Shuns Republic
-India now favors Democracy and shuns fascism
-Persia now favors Fundamentalism and Shuns Democracy
-Aztecs now favor fundamentalism and shun Communism
-Iroqois Favor Democracy and shun fascism
-England now favor Monarchy and shunns Fasism
-china is less aggressive
-france is more aggressive

V1.25
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-Fundamentalism now is available via polytheism
-Fascism is now available via nationalism
-is now fully Stable

**problem_child** · November 14, 2001, 09:26

WHAOH THERE! now LETS NOT GO NUTS!!

i care, i don't have the game yet but- i' think from what i've read the game needs patching, as you've patched it- but can i have a little more info on how much you've changed? for instance i read about the nukes not making sense to maintain and use, and air-units being too weak, but what do you mean you've changed AI personalities for govs? and why varying gold support?

i will probably download this patch but i am reading this from somewhere i can't download it- so i concede you may have already answered these quimbos, just humour me please

**Nikolai** · November 14, 2001, 09:52

What's this "Rate Cape" thing?

**Hermanthegerman** · November 14, 2001, 12:05

Taken from the readme.htm:
"This Patch includes many (50+) Minor changes to civ3. I am too lazy to post all of them."

But, i'm too lazy to find out what you've changed

...

**bigphesta** · November 14, 2001, 14:28

Yeah... you're to lazy to tell me what you did... I'm too lazy to tell you I'm not gonna try it out... Man, guess I was wrong about that, but I'm not wrong when I say I'm not trying any changes to the game unless I know exactly what you did... it seems others feel the same way

**ancient** · November 14, 2001, 16:11

this is now redundent

**wal35** · November 14, 2001, 16:12

Now thats more like it

**vilius** · November 14, 2001, 16:38

very nice and detail.. only i'd suggest an executive version or some kind of diff vs default values for marketing purposes

kinda more of relative vs absolute values?:
-Rebalanced Naval Units
Unit/Cost/A.D.M.T./B.R.F/Resource
Submarine/80/8.4.2.1.0/0.0.0/OIL (can now carry 1 footsoldier)

Submarine/80/+x.-x.-x.+1.0/0.0.0/OIL

or even 'Submarine is weaker but faster now' and btw, how does one squeze some batalion of troops into that tiny sub things..

**ancient** · November 14, 2001, 16:57

..

so you think it should be

Origional Unit
New units
Why i changed what i did?

im thinking about adding notes to..

i wrote a bunch of stuff on paper, and i have a scanner..

download the new version 1.25, it make Fascism be accesable by researching Nationalism and fundamentelism available through Polytheism

i made those changes because it was unstable, and because i felt that they should be available easily..

**Hermanthegerman** · November 14, 2001, 18:25

ancient: yeah, better

but, what is that "rate cap" ?

thx in advance,
htg

**CyberGnu** · November 14, 2001, 20:25

umm, won't this result in the ironclad killing even MORE battlesihps?

**ancient** · November 14, 2001, 21:56

Originally posted by Hermanthegerman
ancient: yeah, better

but, what is that "rate cap" ?

thx in advance,
htg

Rate cap is the limit that science and luxarys can be set to.

Ironclad has a 4 attack, battle ship has 10 defense, i dont see that happenning too often..

**Pyrodrew** · November 15, 2001, 04:43

won't this result in the ironclad killing even MORE battlesihps?

If the Battleship was 18/12 & is now 16/10
and the Ironclad was 4/4 & is now 4/6.

More Ironclads will win Battleships than before.

Before: If the Ironclad attacked: 4/16 = 25% Ironclad win.
Now: If the Ironclad attacks: 4/14 = 28.5% Ironclad win.
((About 10% more often here))

Before: If the Battleship attacked: 4/22 = 18% Ironclad win.
Now: If the Battleship attacks: 6/22 = 27.3% Ironclad win.
((About 50% more often here))

**Squire James** · November 15, 2001, 06:04

Originally posted by ancient
..

fundamentelism available through Polytheism

i made those changes because it was unstable, and because i felt that they should be available easily..

Isn't Polytheism a bit TOO early for something that is clearly much better than Monarchy? Polytheism is actually a prerequisite for Monarchy! At least string it out past Theology like Civ 2 did!

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