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  • there is an option when editing rules for difficulty using the c3c editor to change the setting for "Max. government transition time". Apparently it sets the maximum duration of anarchy for AI civs. Does the game deliberatley omit any similer option for player civs?

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    • I forgot to ask. is it possible to edit game rules 'on the fly'? In other words if I edit a game and decide that something I tweaked needs ot be tweaked a bit differently can I have the new changes effect the saved game already in progress which I started using the old rules? Maybe the saved game has to be converted to a scenario somehow? thanks!

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      • If a unit is chosen to be disbanded, it will usually be one far away from all your cities.

        Also note that if you are a human on Chieftain, you are immune to this.

        Originally posted by pvzh
        I haven't seen a negative treasury yet but I'm guessing that is possible in civ3.


        No it is not possible. Once you do not have enough money, either one unit is disbanded or improvement is sold. One of these things happens randomly. However, you do not lose more than one of these per turn regardless of your deficite.
        1st C3DG Term 7 Science Advisor 1st C3DG Term 8 Domestic Minister
        Templar Science Minister
        AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.

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        • Since one of the vanilla patches, don't know the exact one, the settings have been included in the game file, so, nope, you can not edit games on the fly.

          One exception: ini settings are not stored in the file, so you can switch back and forth between good and bad barbs on the fly.

          Originally posted by Geronimo
          I forgot to ask. is it possible to edit game rules 'on the fly'? In other words if I edit a game and decide that something I tweaked needs ot be tweaked a bit differently can I have the new changes effect the saved game already in progress which I started using the old rules? Maybe the saved game has to be converted to a scenario somehow? thanks!
          1st C3DG Term 7 Science Advisor 1st C3DG Term 8 Domestic Minister
          Templar Science Minister
          AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.

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          • I've noticed just about the only way to avoid cities going into disorer is either to scroll up and down the doemsitc advisor city list every freakin turn looking for cities with a surplus of unhappy citizens or to turn on an ai governor that maximises happiness. Is there a way to edit the governor such that it will always boost happiness only to the point where the city will not be in disorder and then seek maximum production of food and shields with the rest of the workers? I get really tired of trying to micromanage my cities during the early log growth expansion phase of an agricultural civ on a huge map.

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            • You can also scroll thru the domestic minister list of cities and look at the population counts there.

              The big failing is that it does not highlight cities that will fall into disorder next turn if action is not taken in red like SMAC.

              AI will choose very poorly with regard to happiness.
              Often hiring any specalist will suffice to keep the peace.
              1st C3DG Term 7 Science Advisor 1st C3DG Term 8 Domestic Minister
              Templar Science Minister
              AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.

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              • I confess I sometimes turn on the happiness governor. If I'm wonder or factory building and I have all the shield tiles worked, I'll sometimes leave things for the governor. He won't change any tiles, however he can do something that you can't: The governor can respond to WW during the AI's turn. The other time I use him is after taking a city. The city will have resistors and my troops will quell some number of them at the end of my turn. Quelled resistors immediately cause unhappiness since you are at war with their mother country. Also, hopelessly corrupt cities that perform no useful function other than growing to size 7 for unit support get the happiness governor too.

                Summary: Sometimes you just gotta listen to Mr. Happy

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                • Geronimo all you need to do is to watch for pop changes in cities. If the city grows, it needs checking if already balanced for happy faces. If it shrinks or if you gain/lose lux.

                  This makes it a bit easier, until you get pretty large.

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                  • Dang, it doesn't sound like there is anyway to modify the way the governors handle worker allocation. it's too bad because as has been mentioned the ai governors have the advantage of being able to make the necessary modifications on the AI's turn.

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                    • ouch. I've been playing my second c3c game this time as the dutch at regent difficulty on an enormous map with the objective of eventually using the federal republic government I added and the corruption reducing improvments i edited in as well.

                      However a funny thing happened while on the way to reaching the techs that would unlock those changes.

                      You may recall that in my first game, I played all the way through with the entire world at peace for every single turn of the game right up to my late but complete victory in 2046 by population domination. This convinced me that the AI in c3c was much more peaceably inclined than in civ2.

                      Well, the second place civ in my current game is the Aztecs. I've had an excellent mutually benefical trading relationship with them and our civs have remained in republic and at completely at peace with each other and the world for as long as I've known them. Three turns ago in the year 570 just 4 turns before my federal government would be available, the aztecs used 2 galleys to land 4 units on a hill next to my capitol. When I asked them to leave they promptly declared war on me!

                      This was not good for many reasons. First I had been assuming that polite civs would never attack out of the blue especially with a war weariness government like republic and especially when they depend on my civ for two kinds of luxeries. With this in mind I had stopped building new defensive units for my new cities and had gone all out for economic development and expansion. When the aztecs declared war, I had no city with more than one unit in it anywhere and 3 of my coastal cities which faced the aztecs were defended by warriors and the other 3 were defended by swordsmen. Behind those coastal cities I had no defenses in any cities all the way up to the iroquois frontier on the other end of the continent where a line of swordsmen defended each of that frontiers border cities. I had two galleys close to home and the rest of my navy (only 5 galleys and a curragh) was still exploring the coastlines of the world and all were several turns from any home port.

                      in the 3 turns since I have liquified my entire treasury and painfully switched some improvment buildings to swordsman construction with many many wasted shields. I also built a couple catapults and two new galleys. Fortunately everything was a veteran since I had a few barracks constructed earlier and even more fortunately when I was beaten to the pyramids I had been forced to build the great wall so I at least have a wall around all my home towns and I can probably thank that for not losing my capitol to the 4 aztecs units that were originally dropped off.

                      What I would like is a lot of advice about waging a war of conquest in civ3. Not only are the aztecs refusing to discuss peace, but the bastards have a wealthy continent just across from my capitol. Since war has been dropped in my lap I have to take advantage of this chance to dispose of my closest rival in all categories of comparison, especially since my expansion has been blocked in every other direction by AI settlements. However, I already know that conquest is *much* different in civ3 than in civ2. I am particularily concerned about whether it will even be possible for me to conquer aztec cities without having them simply culture flip back and destory my armies. Is it even realistic for me to try to conquer such a large civ that has built at least 3 wonders so far or will it be almost impossible to hold the cities? Should I bring a settler with my invasion force so I have a place to repair damaged armies and simply raze every last aztec city I see? i really don't have the first clue about what will probably work and what probably won't in civ3 and since I was enjoying the game I'd rather not just muck about and risk my civ by experimenting. i want to win this war! if however it turns out that the consensus is that it would be impossible to conquer the aztecs at this point then i hope someone can at least tell me how I might get the aztecs to talk with me and discuss the possibility of peace. So far they clearly are not interested even though In my last turn I razed to the ground a city they had built on my continent on a tiny little spit of land I had not seen a need to occupy.

                      I think my production is appreciably better than the aztecs, but i don't think I have any resource advantage and my advisors say the aztecs are unimpressed with our cultural acheivements and view us as their technological equals. They don't seem to have any military allies or military wonders but they do have the lighthouse so their galleys can move a bit faster. i don't have any great leaders and only one elite unit.

                      At this point what should I do or what information should I try to obtain to plan what to do next?

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                      • You didn't mention what your comparative military strength is. If the advisor says you are weak compared to them, they are far more likely to attack, polite or not.

                        It sounds like you are in the ancient era. Conquest across the sea with galleys is tough going. I typically wait until I've take my whole continent before I go adventuring overseas. In a worst case scenario, the Aztecs will bribe your neighbors into a war with you and you'll be stuck fighting a two front war. OTOH, if you know the Aztec's neighbors, you can do the same to them. I would avoid conquest at this time unless I could call up some help.

                        The AI is programmed to refuse to talk your envoy for the first 5 turns of war. After that, you should be able to get peace if you've had the upper hand during the war.

                        It was mistake to raze the Aztec city on your continent. Now they will hate you for the rest of the game. Typically, when the AI starts a war, they will go back to polite or wherever they were once the war is over. This means you get better trade deals. If you start the war or you raze their cities, you get permanent attitude hits.

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                        • I bit of advice: if you ever see a stack of enemy units in your territory and ask them to leave or declare war, they will declare war. I

                          If you don't ask them to leave, it will head to it's desired location, which is probably the city of yours they envy the most. If you can keep them from getting adejent to any of your city, they'll probably stay at peace. This is very useful if your military is weak or if they are paying you a large GPT.

                          f all they have is a settler-defender pair, they'll probably accept it, but it will move back into your territory the next turn [if your leaving didn't relocate them to the far side of your territory]

                          What you need in this case is a mobile wall to keep them from reaching intended destination and even a undefended worker curriently working a tile can be part of it.
                          1st C3DG Term 7 Science Advisor 1st C3DG Term 8 Domestic Minister
                          Templar Science Minister
                          AI: I sure wish Jon would hurry up and complete his turn, he's been at it for over 1,200,000 milliseconds now.

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                          • First always presume they are up to no good, that way you won't get surprised. Seeing the galley head your way you would want to have a mobile force shadowing it. Then if they land you are ready to defend.

                            As was mentioned, if you are weak compared to them, according to the advisor, you can expect extortions or attacks. You can also expect a demand to leave will be greeted with war. They do not fear or respect you.

                            It is good advice to note the parties make up. If it is a settler and defenders, you do not need to figure an attack. You want to shepherd them to stop any settlement.

                            One way is to surround those units and force them to go in a safe direction.

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                            • Originally posted by joncnunn
                              I bit of advice: if you ever see a stack of enemy units in your territory and ask them to leave or declare war, they will declare war. I
                              Not always. IF it's going for someone else, they might accept a withdraw order a couple times. But they will get more annoyed with each try, an more units will enter every turn. At some point, they will declare war.

                              Originally posted by joncnunn
                              f all they have is a settler-defender pair, they'll probably accept it, but it will move back into your territory the next turn [if your leaving didn't relocate them to the far side of your territory
                              If the AI feels strong enugh, they might declare war even for a Settler-defender combo. It's easier to scare away than a stack of units, that's true.

                              Originally posted by joncnunn
                              What you need in this case is a mobile wall to keep them from reaching intended destination and even a undefended worker curriently working a tile can be part of it.
                              Or enough force to take it, and survive a war, granting you slaves.
                              Seriously. Kung freaking fu.

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                              • If you really want some ideas on how to proceed, post a save. It is hard to know how to best proceed with no data.

                                Invasions using gallies is a tough way to go, but you could land some pillaging units. The ai is slow to peace, unless you do some damage. Raze or capture a few cities or kill a bunch of units and they will talk.

                                By the time galley's are available, you want to not be weak compared to them in first 4 levels. At least until you are very sure of how the ai will behave.

                                BTW, if the Az built three wonders at Regent, you need to rethink your strategy, unless they are resource depenant such as SoZ, Knights or coastal. I also include Oracle as I never bother with it.

                                I think you mentioned a mod is involved, so that could change everything. We have no idea what is modified.

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