A world of Peace!?

[GePap]

One thing I have always noted is that once the AI gets to nationalism, some nasty global conflagration breaks out. Sometimes I can stay out, sometimes I can't, sometimes I start it, but all the time, it happens, and the AI goes Fascist or Communist and their populations drop and my tech lead grows, or I get one finally, since they are too busy kiling each other and won;t trade techs.

Well, in this game I spoke about in the razing wonders game, THERE HAVE BEEN NO WARS! I mean, honeslty- its been 4000 years and yet the only wars have involved me, and I have only 2 neighbors! The god damned AI sits there peacefully, trading techs, resources, luxuries, and not killing each other brutally.

Has anyone else ever had a game in which the AI maintains world peace well into the industrial age?

[Shogun Gunner]

Never.....no chance - not even close.

[Loui]

Never, but I have had games where I was never involved in any wars. Those were on Emperor Level and I won both of them by building the United Nations and winning the first vote. It was an experiment, but those were boring games.

I always play on real world maps so Europe is crowded and wars are inevitable. Maybe on maps that support peace and diplomacy...but I guess you had an exeptional game there.

[Dis]

I have had relatively peaceful games (involving AI Vs. me) when I have the continent all to myself.

But my last few games have been on pangea continents. And I have been annhilating my neighbors early to get large chunks of land. My remaining neighbors have been hostile. Though my reputation took a dive in these games because I attacked my early neighbors with no warning . My latest game, I'm having a hard time keeping the peace in democracy, so I switched to communism. I plan on getting the ass whooping stick out.

[Kuciwalker]

I always end up starting the World War near the end of the Middle Ages, and spending the rest of the game just trying to end the thing (diplomatically).

[Aramis]

My games (regent or monarch) had been way to peaceful recently. This began about the time I started changing the aggression level from "normal" to "more aggressive."
Curiosity led me to change it to "less aggressive" and now wars are back to being pretty common. Maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe those two buttons are buggy.

[asleepathewheel]

what's a ***** is playing on an upper level on an archipelago map. Few if any natural wars to siphon off excess units from the AI. Massacres upon landing, even if fairly advanced comparatively.

[Kuciwalker]

Unless you're Scandinavia

[Loui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Unless you're Scandinavia

True. In my current game on a real world map England declared on me out of the blue, burning one of my cities on the American East coast. She had 5 cities, Phalanx and Swordsmen, I had 43 cities, Knights and Muskies. When I landed 6 Knights and 3 Musketeers in Cornwall I lost the entire stack at once, without a chance to attack. I would have loved to have some Vikings then...

Now I own Britannia

[GePap]

The thing is, this is the Marla giga Map, so in essence its two pangeas- but Eurasia has been peaceful!! Damn them, stop being at peace!

I have played several other games on the same map, and all of them have had their normal amount of bloody warfare, sicne after a point, the AI can't expand peacefully.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Loui


True. In my current game on a real world map England declared on me out of the blue, burning one of my cities on the American East coast. She had 5 cities, Phalanx and Swordsmen, I had 43 cities, Knights and Muskies. When I landed 6 Knights and 3 Musketeers in Cornwall I lost the entire stack at once, without a chance to attack. I would have loved to have some Vikings then...

Now I own Britannia

A similar thing happened to me: I was playing a different Marla map variation of mine, and as Persia I controled the entire ME, Central Asia, North Africa, Central Africa, West Africa, Central Europe and all of Western Europe save Lisbon. I mean, a HUGE empire. The brits declare war on me- I land a force I thought would be sufficient, took one city, and then marched on London- man, my army got attacked near it, and while I took out a lot of Brits, one of the stacks of my army was wiped out, and the other had to retreat back to the city I held, which then had to hold of a counterattack.


Of course, I won the war, but it was a schock, given the Brits put up more of a fight than some vastly larger empires than them.

[Tattila the Hun]

A bit of, but how well do the BIG maps play? On your machines?

[Arrian]

I've seen some pretty peaceful games. Typically, however, if the AI doesn't start something, I will

Most of the time, they do fight.

If memory serves, the AI was quite peaceful in the Apolyton University "Give Peace a Chance" game (the object was to play totally peacefully - no military units, even, and win). Of course, Egypt did eventually decide to destroy me with a Cavalry onslaught 3 turns before I finished the UN, but nevermind that The AI civs were picked, IIRC, for their low aggression level.

What tends to screw the AI in the industrial age is the advent of MPPs and some bad governments (pre-Conquests, Communism. In Conquests - Fascism). Bad governments for the AI, anyway.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

A similar thing happened to me: I was playing a different Marla map variation of mine, and as Persia I controled the entire ME, Central Asia, North Africa, Central Africa, West Africa, Central Europe and all of Western Europe save Lisbon. I mean, a HUGE empire. The brits declare war on me- I land a force I thought would be sufficient, took one city, and then marched on London- man, my army got attacked near it, and while I took out a lot of Brits, one of the stacks of my army was wiped out, and the other had to retreat back to the city I held, which then had to hold of a counterattack.


Of course, I won the war, but it was a schock, given the Brits put up more of a fight than some vastly larger empires than them.

A small AI civ on an island for thousands of years, particularly if they're backward in tech = ****loads of crappy units. ****loads of crappy units can kill stacks of new shiny units.

-Arrian

[GePap]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
A bit of, but how well do the BIG maps play? On your machines?

I found # of civs to be the biggest factor. Marla's map with 14 civs works well into the modern age, with 31 civs it barely makes it into the industrial age before I have to wait 10 minutes between turns.