Rush Building with Great Leaders

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Are you guys sure about the "tainted shields"???

Yes, you will not be able to switch to a wonder if it has tainted shields.

If you do a chop of a forrest in a tile within the radius of that city and it is building a wonder, the shields will not be used for the wonder.

[Muad'Dib]

I know about the forest chop & disband unit don't add to shield product for wonders.
The question was can you switch from a non wonder production where you had a forest chop that added shields than switch product to a wonder and have your SGL work to finish production.
My answer was that I never experienced that problem and everything worked.
Going back to the paratroopers from a moment. In the prima guide it talks about the "Nuke city/airdrop tactic". And I do remember using them in the Game of the Year & Play The World versions. Is it something they changed with Conquests or the 1.22 patch.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Muad'Dib
I know about the forest chop & disband unit don't add to shield product for wonders.
The question was can you switch from a non wonder production where you had a forest chop that added shields than switch product to a wonder and have your SGL work to finish production.
My answer was that I never experienced that problem and everything worked.

No you cannot switch with any tainted shields. Since you can't switch, you won't be able to rush it.

[Xorbon]

Originally posted by Muad'Dib
Going back to the paratroopers from a moment. In the prima guide it talks about the "Nuke city/airdrop tactic". And I do remember using them in the Game of the Year & Play The World versions. Is it something they changed with Conquests or the 1.22 patch.

I just tested the game, and no you can't airdrop directly into a city. That applies even to a totally empty city. I tested this using Conquests with the 1.22 patch. It's possible this is a new 'feature' just for C3C. If that's the case, they might have done this in conjunction with giving bombers lethal land bombardment. Maybe they figured paradropping into a city would be too unbalanced given the fact that there are now more ways to empty a city of units. ???

[Dry]

Re: Rush Building with Great Leaders

Originally posted by MosesPresley
In my recent game I have had 4 great leaders. One scientific and three military leaders. The scientific leader only gave me the option of having a scientific age. Of my military leaders only one has allowed me to rush a wonder.

As it has been said above, leaders allow you to rush wonders or structures, not units. If you had no rushbuild icon, it's probably because the city was building a unit.
The fact that you have 'tainted' shields or not is irrelevant to rushbuilding.
Tainted shields will only forbid you to switch to a wonder. If you are building, say, a factory, you will be able to rush it, 'tainted' shieds or not.

[MosesPresley]

Dry:

My city was building a wonder, I think it was Universal Suffrage. I moved my leader there and the rush icon was not available. I went to several other towns and switched their production to the the wonder and in none of the towns was the icon available.

I don't have a problem with tainted shields as I don't cut down any of the forests until very late in the game.

[vmxa1]

Then the only other thing I have seen like that is that some lame town is already building the wonder.

If you look at the build options, is the wonder grey? If so, look on the F1 screen to see if anyone is building it. You see this often, when you have some little town finish its build and you have the gov doing things, it will start a wonder.

[Xorbon]

MosesPresley: Were you trying to use a military great leader (MGL) to rush the wonder? Because MGLs can't rush great wonders; only small wonders (including palaces) and improvements. Scientific great leaders, on the other hand, can rush great wonders.

[MosesPresley]

Xorbon, yes it was a MGL.

How many SGL's can you get in a game?

Where can this information be found? I have looked in the read me and the civilopedia.

[vmxa1]

I gave all of that info on the first response. You can have as many SGL's as you can get (no limit), only one MGL at any one point in time, but no limit in a game. I have had 55 in one game. Dozens are the norm in a sid game.

[MosesPresley]

I know you did, and thanks. You da man!

I don't think you said how many SGL's you could get, but it seems that theoretically you can get a bunch. The most I have seen is one. I have had a bunch of MGL's many times.

But I still don't see where that info is listed in the manual, cd manual or the read-me.

[vmxa1]

Yeah a lot of stuff is missing from the doc and not in the readme.

The most I have heard of (SGL) at once is three. I don't know if anyone has had more than 4 in a game, but it would be very rare.

It is not uncommon for me to not get any for the whole game.

[Paddy]

some good stuff in here

thanks all

[punkbass2000]

In theory, it would be possible to get as many SGLs as there are techs. IS that what youare asking?

[Dry]

Originally posted by vmxa1
The most I have heard of (SGL) at once is three. I don't know if anyone has had more than 4 in a game, but it would be very rare.

I think I will always be puzzled about the randon generator in civ3.
I'm not an every day player, but in some 30+ games (Monarch), I've had something like 1 SGL every 5 games.
And then, suddenly, in my second last game: already 4 in the same one!!!?!?! And I'm still in the industrial age.
Maybe I should play it further.