What does a CIV Trait do for you?

[Rommel2D]

Re: What does a CIV Trait do for you?

Originally posted by conmcb25
Does this look like an all inclusive list? What am I missing here?

Seafaring: +1 movement ships, coast cities produce +1 gold
Reduced chance of sinking.
Water based improvements are cheaper.
- Harbors
- Offshore platforms
- Coastal Fortress
- Commercial Dock

Increased chance of coastal start.
I've no idea what the actual numbers are, but from the 1.20(2) readme:

Greatly improved the ability of Seafaring civs to start near the coast. It should happen most of the time now.

This feature doesn't work for pregenerated maps, but has been fixed to work in MP.

-The Coastal Crusader

[Kuciwalker]

In fact, you're supposed to always get a coastal start. It's just the map generator isn't perfect.

[Rommel2D]

What do you mean? The readme says "most of the time" in plain English. Have they said they tried to make it all of the time, but couldn't get the game mechanics right?

[Kuciwalker]

They want it to be all of the time, but they can't guarantee it. At least, that's how I've always understood it.

[Rommel2D]

I think that's unlikely, since the algoritm to determine coastal status already exists. If it were a matter of making it a 100% situation, it would be a simple fix.

[Kuciwalker]

It may be, though, that they'd have to regenerate start locations an inordinate number of times to assure a coastal start.

[Rommel2D]

They have to throw out water locations (60-80% of the map) as is. Even if coasts are only 3-5% of the map, the extra ~25% non-coastal tiles wouldn't affect generation times significantly. This should all be basic TBS programming.

[Theseus]

This should be topped, or somehow referenced in the (someday to appear) AU homepage.

[Solomwi]

Or at least linked in the Must Read Threads (hint, hint)

[Theseus]

/me smacks himself with a semi-fresh-trout.

[conmcb25]

I am going to get to the first post as well.

Ill edit in the changes in another color and let everyone take a look see.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
They have to throw out water locations (60-80% of the map) as is. Even if coasts are only 3-5% of the map, the extra ~25% non-coastal tiles wouldn't affect generation times significantly. This should all be basic TBS programming.

Maybe we should ask Firaxis

[joncnunn]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They want it to be all of the time, but they can't guarantee it. At least, that's how I've always understood it.

Exactly, they are using herisurstic (however it's spelled) alogrithms to design the topology in the first place. They've given seafaring civs higher priority than non-seafaring civs for all starting locations (another heris. alog.) that are coastal, but if there happen to be move seafaring civs than starting locations adjoining the coast, then by the pigon hole principle, at least one seafaring civ won't start adjoining the coast.

This is much more likely to occur on a pangena map, least water tiles, with lots of non-suitable starting tiles ( hills / mountains / desert) combined with a high ratio of seafaring civs to non-seafaring civs.

[Rommel2D]

Heuristic? I'm not familliar with the programming implications of this term. I haven't done a great deal of experimentation with this, but passive observation has shown that in purely generated maps, I have yet to see a seafaring civ not get a coastal start. Maps that have been generated in advance with the editor have less than half the seafaring civs recieve a coastal start. Clearly they have a routine in place that works through the regular game generation process, but not with the editor...

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
Heuristic? I'm not familliar with the programming implications of this term.

It means you use simple rules instead of a complicated algorithm. It usually requires a lot of testing, but cen give good results with minimal processing power required. It can also produce very weird results in cases the programmers didn't think of.