Preventing Culture Flipping in High Corruption Environments

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
Given number of groundtroops should prevent flipping, period. Not just "lessen the chance of flipping".

Something to add to cIV...

It's already there. I believe you can reduce the chance of revolt to zero for any city if you add enough troops.

Someone made a calculator for this but I'm too lazy to find it.

[Tattila the Hun]

Hmm, I was under the impression, that the number of troops has quite small effect on flipping. I've had a SOD (a Lot) of tanks in 12sized enemy city... Which flipped. It was half of my friggin army!

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by Dissident
another thing I like to do is conquer the enemy capitol

So do most of us, but how does conquerig their capital help against culture flips?

[Dis]

it should help right? They have to start from scratch in terms of their palace accumulating culture. Though other culture buildings in other cities will still retain their accumulated culture.

[gunkulator]

Usually the capital jumps to the next "best" city which probably already has tons of culture.

On occasion you can capture all around a land locked capital to prevent it from trading resources or luxuries. I did this once, although not by design. My attack on the capital withered and died, but I was able to capture the surrounding cities. WW was killing me so I sued for peace. Later I tried to trade for 1 of their 2 horses that they owned but I noticed that there were no luxs or resources of any kind available.

[Arrian]

The keys to avoiding culture flips:

1) Remove "culture pressure" from the city in question. This means pushing back the other civ's borders via capturing or razing nearby cities. So if you go capture a civ's capital (high flip risk), make sure you get the surrounding ones as a buffer too. And of course rush a temple or library.

2) Starve (or poprush) to 1pop, then let it repopulate.

3) Have solid civ-wide culture yourself

Or better yet, wipe out the civ you took the city from.

HINT: if you face an opponent with a 1-tile island city (untouchable until marines), stop before you make that their last city, and demand it for peace. 20 turns later, wipe out the city you let them keep.

-Arrian

[Last Conformist]

Arrian pretty much nailed it.

Remember that building temples and libraries in a ton of recent conquest also does wonders for your own cpt total. It's amazing what a bout of warmongering can do for your culture.

[Whoha]

2 tanks outside the city. If it flips take it back.

[Aqualung71]

If you experiment with the flip calculator you will see that probably the most important factor is the number of tiles in the full 21-tile area of the captured city that are under AI civ control. The obvious strategy then is to squash resistance with a substantial garrison for the first 3 turns, then rush culture as quickly as possible to minimise the number of tiles under AI control. At that point, you will probably be able to eliminate the flip possibility by stationing a garrison of 10 or so inside the city. Of course, this assumes you are not too far behind in total culture compared to the AI civ in question.

Using this strategy you should generally be able to survive from turn 10 onwards.....but there's virtually nothing you can do to prevent a flip in the first few turns (apart from stationing re-capturing troops outside the city) unless you have sufficient garrison, which in some cases may be about 60 or 70.

[Quezacotl06]

Why don't you just rebuild you palace to a city that is betwen where the capital is now and the dense area of fringe cities?

[Dis]

rebuilding a palace is a huge waste of shields . No enemy captured city is worth that.

[Solomwi]

Sure, if you do it with shields.

[Kuciwalker]

Surely an army is more valuable

[Solomwi]

It all depends. If I've already hit my limit on armies, not really. If I'm below my limit, but still have a few empty armies waiting for units, the overall efficiency boost may make the palace jump more worthwhile. If I'm playing peacenik ( okay, okay, just pretend for a second) or going for SS, the army is less valuable.

To be honest, though, I agree with you in most cases, and was referring to both leader rushing and disbanding and refounding the capital, the directed free palace jump.

[Kuciwalker]

Ah, that works too.