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  • #16
    Originally posted by player1
    Every nation that has mobile unit with attack of 3 and Agricultural trait is powerful (like Iroquois or Celts).
    Uhhh... the Iroqs and the Celts are the only two civs that meet both of these requirements.

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    • #17
      The Maya, Hittites, and India always seem to be a pain in my games.
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      • #18
        That dang smirking fool Gilgamesh ALWAYS leverages himself into a superpower in my game. Not in the current game (since I AM Sumeria), but in any game where I see Gilgamesh he's always whipping up on everyone. Same for Lincoln, America seems to always become strong. I've never seen the Hittites strong, and in several games saw them quite weak and marginalized (same with the Zulu, sadly). The Maya and Inca also usually put in strong showings.

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        • #19
          French and persians are often a problem. As are the English and Americans, but 9 times out of 10 i'll be playing as one or the other of these.
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          • #20
            India?! England and America?...

            The only time I've ever seen India survive well into the Industrial was when they happened to get their own large continent with ocean on all sides.

            England is usually marginalized well before the industrial age and the Americans in my games have a lousy habit of getting stuck on tiny islands or next to the Mongols. They do a nice job of eliminating someone early in the ancient period.

            "The human race would have perished long ago if its preservation had depended only on the reasoning of its members." - Rousseau
            "Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!" - Erich Honecker
            "If one has good arms, one will always have good friends." - Machiavelli

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            • #21
              Im currently in a game with the Iroquois which are very powerfull and very advanced even the americans are having trouble fighting them there a pain + there at war with everyone and winning hopefully i trying to stop that.

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              • #22
                Iroquis normally make a formidable AI civ. Great traits plus an early killer UU tend to spell doom for neighboring AIs. A real powerful ancient era civ.

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                • #23
                  Heh, in one game I saw America get conquered and split in half like Poland in WW2 by the Iroquois and the French.

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                  • #24
                    Persia, Sumeria,and Egypt if I don't try early wars and build instead....Greece and Carthage if I do
                    "War is not an independent phenomenon,but the continuation of politics by different means"......Clausewitz

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cimmuria
                      Persia, Sumeria,and Egypt if I don't try early wars and build instead....Greece and Carthage if I do
                      I can understand not using Sumeria and Egypt for early wars (although they are decent at waging them) but Persia? Persia is one of the Civ's that are most suited towards early wars. Immortals kick ass in the ancient age and they don't need to be upgraded until reaching the Industrial age. When playing Persia; I research to IW, get Iron online, and start cranking out the Immortals. What techs that you do not research early can be either extorted or taken in a peace treaty.
                      * A true libertarian is an anarchist in denial.
                      * If brute force isn't working you are not using enough.
                      * The difference between Genius and stupidity is that Genius has a limit.
                      * There are Lies, Damned Lies, and The Republican Party.

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                      • #26
                        Any game I've played that involved Sumeria usually ended up as me vs. Sumeria, the superpower. I honestly can't remember a game where they weren't playing a little smashy-smashy on their neighbors.

                        The Aztecs used to give me quite a bit of trouble. I just finished my first game using them, and just WOW. I had no idea how powerful an early GA could be, until my Jags defeated a sneak Mayan attack and my cities turned into settler factories.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jaguar
                          The AI does really well with the Inca
                          unless playing an earth map of some sort and they start in their correct starting position

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                          • #28
                            Has anyone created a perfectly symetrical map with exactly the same terrain for each and every civ to test to accurately see which civs do well and which do not.

                            I would like to rule out starting position.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CarnalCanaan
                              India?! England and America?...

                              The only time I've ever seen India survive well into the Industrial was when they happened to get their own large continent with ocean on all sides.

                              England is usually marginalized well before the industrial age and the Americans in my games have a lousy habit of getting stuck on tiny islands or next to the Mongols. They do a nice job of eliminating someone early in the ancient period.

                              India did well in my game on the 362 X 362 earth map. I played china and I never threatened them. So they managed to stay away from wars.

                              They can do well if they stay away from wars it seems.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jaguar
                                The AI does really well with the Inca
                                I have noticed that they do seem to start out with a big surge (similar to the Iroquois) but often fade in the industrial/modern eras when the Maya's science and the Aztec's aggression get the upper hand.

                                I agree also with the comments made about Sumeria. Somehow they seem to leverage themselves into a superpower position in all of my games. I'm not sure why. Their UU is a defensive specialist. Although the Ag + Science traits do give them a big, highly productive population. They are often leading the way technologically and unlike the Greeks or Babylonians, they can put together a sizeable enough empire early on to use that newfound technology effectively.

                                Nonetheless, no one -- not Egypt or Mongolia or Inca or Sumeria -- seem to be so overwhelmingly superior to all other AIs AND myself for the entire duration of a game as the Six Nations.

                                (Maybe that's why no one let them in on the Treaty of Paris... anyone know of good books/resources on the subject?)
                                "The human race would have perished long ago if its preservation had depended only on the reasoning of its members." - Rousseau
                                "Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!" - Erich Honecker
                                "If one has good arms, one will always have good friends." - Machiavelli

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