The submarine thing is a joke, right? Right?!

[bobbo008]

"Hidden nationality of subs. Interesting. How often have subs been used as such in practice though?"

U-boats. The Germans, right? But do we KNOW it was the Germans? EVERY U-Boat, was German, or was it...?



...i'm going to bed, i apologize for my behavior

[Dauphin]

Could have been Captain Nemo's Nautilus I suppose.

Its possible to have hidden nationality, but I'm wondering about the idea of state sponsored submariner privateers. It could be interesting for game mechanics.

[dearmad]

I'm playing a game right now with this modded in. One of themany little details I've added- so I'll see how it goes. Almost to that era now.

Made privateers free of support- boy that was a mistake! AI went crazy!

[Last Conformist]

The AI loves free stuff, doesn't it?

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
The AI loves free stuff, doesn't it?

Doesn't everyone?

free is tasty

[dearmad]

Added in two wonders for fun:

The Silk Road and what I called: GREAT LEADER- basically with fascism you can build a hitler and get free armies every 10 turns until fission.

The AI got both wonders. Hoping it'll do something with those armies... we'll see.

Still not QUITE to having enough subs to see if the changes helped or not...

[Panag]

Originally posted by dearmad
Added in two wonders for fun:

The Silk Road and what I called: GREAT LEADER- basically with fascism you can build a hitler and get free armies every 10 turns until fission.

The AI got both wonders. Hoping it'll do something with those armies... we'll see.

Still not QUITE to having enough subs to see if the changes helped or not...

hi ,

do you mind posting a save ones in a while

thanks in advance

have a nice day

[dearmad]

Well the AI with the GREAT LEADER got an army going around the map- but didn't use to press very many attacks. Not sure what I think about that wonder.

Anyhoo- the hidden nationality for subs sorta sucked, here's why:

Because subs can stealth attack it means the only way to protect a transport (in a time of PEACE!) is to surround it with ships, otherwise the AI subs (which were everywhere) take out anything they can. I just spent a great deal of resources cleaning out the eastern sea of Dutch subs. The constant warfare at sea is wearying and just not fun for me.

It's a strange drain on the economy and has made technology slow down too- I don't think anyone'll be launching any spaceship before the game is over- I'm just developing fission at 1982 or so. I did raise the cost to some techs though to slow down certain favorite eras (age of sail, wwi moment, some areas of the middle ages).

Well I DID lower resource occurances so OIL and other resources can be a problem, but that shouldn't stop the march of progress!

More later- but I just hope they patch this problem in the final patch at this point.

You want a save game? About what era? here's my current point:

[Panag]

hi ,

"" Well the AI with the GREAT LEADER got an army going around the map- but didn't use to press very many attacks. Not sure what I think about that wonder. ""

sometimes the AI uses them to its limit , sometimes the AI needs two or three before they start to use one , ....

it depends how many civs there are , if its you and a couple civs , then the AI is more likely to use its army , other wise the AI will be carefull with it , ....

have a nice day

[player1]

Common guys.
Sub-bug is really not such big issue.

Things like broken barbarian AI are.
(going just for targets at NW-SE axis)

If I would need to choose between them sug-bug would be at low priority.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I got used to using them in PTW. They are an extremeley potent weapon, as you could park a dozen or so of them right outside cities of countries without them knowing, or follow their fleets around undetected. Conquests added the feature of the sub being able to choose its target in a stack (which is brilliant), but this bug mars that.

Hearing this, I just realized that, IMO, the bug should stay unfixed. That's a massive exploit, being able to blockade a harbor of someone you don't have an RoP with.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
It's not only subs, Arrian. It's stealth units in general. I have seen the Byzantines declare war on the Abbasids a couple of times, because they ran with their settler/spearman pairs into Assassins (who were after me, because I was as Germany just there with own "business" ). Highly annoying, and it should be fixed ASAP.

Actually, that seems like a good outcome (war between Byzantines and Abassids). A nice way to trigger it without fixed alliances.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by dearmad
Because subs can stealth attack it means the only way to protect a transport (in a time of PEACE!) is to surround it with ships, otherwise the AI subs (which were everywhere) take out anything they can. I just spent a great deal of resources cleaning out the eastern sea of Dutch subs. The constant warfare at sea is wearying and just not fun for me.

Sounds quite realistic and very fun.

It's a strange drain on the economy

Makes sense, though.