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  • #16
    Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
    panag is a Mac user. Quite possibly the game has some difference between PCs and Macs.

    Is there even a C3C or v1.22 patch for Macs?!?

    hi ,

    correction , both mac and windows , ....

    and one of the few on apolyton who run windows on a mac , .....

    well when there is time the original shall be tested , according to a couple people who also use mods and scens it could be due to that that they dont see it neither , ....

    then again there are others who can confirm , .....

    but hey , thats civ , always intresting , it never fails to come up with something new , ....

    who nows what else lays ahead for us , ....


    have a nice day
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    • #17
      I didn't know Conquest was released on the Mac?
      Please pay extra attention to the fact that this problem ONLY exist in the Conquest expansion to Civ3 (afaik) - in Vanilla and PTW barbarians behaves as one would expect.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CyberChrist
        I didn't know Conquest was released on the Mac?
        Please pay extra attention to the fact that this problem ONLY exist in the Conquest expansion to Civ3 (afaik) - in Vanilla and PTW barbarians behaves as one would expect.
        hi ,

        take one mac , take one copy of XP pro or dev , let one comp expert install it and there you go , ....

        the only reason as to why panag has windows is to play civ , .....

        and yes is about conquests , ....

        have a nice day
        - RES NON VERBA - DE OPRESSO LIBER - VERITAS ET LIBERTAS - O TOLMON NIKA - SINE PARI - VIGLIA PRETIUM LIBERTAS - SI VIS PACEM , PARA BELLUM -
        - LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
        WHY DOES ISRAEL NEED A SECURITY FENCE --- join in an exceptional demo game > join here forum is now open ! - the new civ Conquest screenshots > go see them UPDATED 07.11.2003 ISRAEL > crisis or challenge ?

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        • #19
          I've tested it in Debug mode in c3c 1.22, and can completely confirm it. Not entirely sure how far away the units may be in the NW-SE axis, but I think 4 tiles.

          The Barb do nothing, until a Def=0 unit appears, or a unit in the NW/SE directions. However, the fiercely attack anything in that direction (like Infantry with Warriors).

          A different q, maybe someone can confirm it:

          Anyone ever seen the AI using Bombardment against Barbarians?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski
            I've tested it in Debug mode in c3c 1.22, and can completely confirm it. Not entirely sure how far away the units may be in the NW-SE axis, but I think 4 tiles.

            The Barb do nothing, until a Def=0 unit appears, or a unit in the NW/SE directions. However, the fiercely attack anything in that direction (like Infantry with Warriors).

            A different q, maybe someone can confirm it:

            Anyone ever seen the AI using Bombardment against Barbarians?
            hi ,

            nope , and its funny how they go with an horsemen after a tank , ....

            have a nice day
            - RES NON VERBA - DE OPRESSO LIBER - VERITAS ET LIBERTAS - O TOLMON NIKA - SINE PARI - VIGLIA PRETIUM LIBERTAS - SI VIS PACEM , PARA BELLUM -
            - LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA - one shot , one kill - freedom exists only in a book - everything you always wanted to know about special forces - everything you always wanted to know about Israel - what Dabur does in his free time , ... - in french - “Become an anti-Semitic teacher for 5 Euro only.”
            WHY DOES ISRAEL NEED A SECURITY FENCE --- join in an exceptional demo game > join here forum is now open ! - the new civ Conquest screenshots > go see them UPDATED 07.11.2003 ISRAEL > crisis or challenge ?

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            • #21
              Gak!

              How the heck did we end up with something like this? I want the Vanilla barbarians back!
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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              • #22
                Good job CyberChrist.

                This information could help Firaxis locate and fix the bug in time for the final patch.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by alexman
                  This information could help Firaxis locate and fix the bug in time for the final patch.
                  Ahh.. mention again of the near mythical final patch. If this is to appear in June, do you not think we should have heard some rumblings about beta tests of this by now?

                  It might be time to bump your quite excellent thread on simple fixes Alexman, which should still be 'stickied' IMHO.

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                  • #24
                    Personally, I would have preferred that I never SAW this thread! Now I know how it works and I had never realized it before -- I never knew when they would attack.

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                    • #25
                      Heh heh, I first noticed it back in december, but only just now realized noone else seemed to be aware of this (apparently including Firaxis/Breakaway). Lets just hope they hunt down the cause of this and fixes it with next patch.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MoonWolf
                        Yesterday I started to play on a map of Arda (The world Tolkien wrote about, see the files-section). This map has a lot of huts and that means a lot of barbarians. I kept and eye open for this phenonema and it's true! They will only attack units on the NW-SE-axis. If your are NW of a barbarian and there are more barbarians on the same axis, they will move against you. If you move, they will stop.
                        Oooh, Arda. I'm now glad I opened this thread.

                        to Cyberchrist for noticing the exact trigger for the barb attacks. I had never gotten beyond "hmm, sometimes they attack, but mostly they just sit there."

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

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                        • #27
                          i believe this is a very serious problem. barbarians have enough disadvantages than to NOT attack an obvious target. to make the barbarians PREDICTABLE with this bug takes thair effectiveness down to near zilch. i hope they fix this soon.
                          The Wizard of AAHZ

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                          • #28
                            At Deity and Sid you have no bonus VS barbs. This means they are very dangerous. As you move towards that 800 bonus on Chief, it gets predictable.

                            Anyway I have lost many units to barbs even vet swords. A single spear is not enough to be safe with no bonus against them. Pikes usually are enough against an uprising, but I would want two, not one.

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                            • #29
                              @Firaxis: Fix this now!
                              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by vmxa1
                                At Deity and Sid you have no bonus VS barbs. This means they are very dangerous. As you move towards that 800 bonus on Chief, it gets predictable.
                                i believe this bug affects ALL difficulty levels vmxa. you can predict where they will and will not strike, regardless of your bonus against them
                                The Wizard of AAHZ

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