Handling Anarchy Scientifically

[Harovan]

Originally posted by alexman
If you really want to abuse the new uber-scientists, let your cities revolt during anarchy. During the next turn, set all the citizens to scientists. You won't get any starvation because food doesn't get counted during a riot. Rinse and repeat. With 3-beaker corruption-free scientists you can get 4-turn research rate even in anarchy!

Now that's really evil. So far I used only taken cities while starving them down as super science cities, but letting them riot by purpose is a smart move... a bit exploitative though.

[Mountain Sage]

Don't you risk losing some city improvement while your city revolts?

[bongo]

Only if the revolt last longer than 1 turn...and only if ypou have improvements to lose

If not, you have to do the 'on/off' trick

[rush]

Originally posted by bongo

It's between 1 and 8. The two factor ares, 0-3 depending on empire size, 1-5 by some randomness.

thanks. in the last 2 games i got 8 (Dutch, Monarch, standard map) and 7 (Sumeria, Emperor, standard map). Looks like randomness is not treating me well.

Is empire size bigger means more turns of anarchy ?

[bongo]

Originally posted by rush
Is empire size bigger means more turns of anarchy ?

Yes.

Never tried, but if you only had one city, then anarchy would take a maximum of 5 turns.

[alexman]

Originally posted by bongo

It's between 1 and 8. The two factor ares, 0-3 depending on empire size, 1-5 by some randomness.

Actually, in C3C in can be at least as many as 9 turns. Too many, if you ask me. It makes it rarely worth it to switch governments more than once.

By the way, you can see the exact number of anarchy turns remaining from the F1 advisor.

[alexman]

Originally posted by Theseus
Hmmm... how would one *force* cities to revolt?

I don't know about real life (I don't have one), but in civ it's easy since you lose MP and luxury slider effects in anarchy. If that's not enough, you can always disconnect some luxuries.

[nbarclay]

I think you're talking about rioting, not revolting. In the Call to Power games (or at least the first one), cities that were sufficiently unhappy really could revolt and become barbarian.

I've gotten to where I use the technique of alternating turns of rioting and turns of calm food loss with cities that would have to run a significant food deficit to avoid rioting. That cuts the food loss roughly in half but still avoids losing improvements.

Personally, I think Firaxis overdid it in making anarchy bad. Losing all your production and non-specialist income is bad enough, but being forced potentially to watch cities either starve down in size or lose improvements you spent a lot of time building makes it even worse. To me, the game would be a whole lot more fun if anarchy were shorter and a little bit less extreme.

[Makahlua]

Perhaps this... 'feature' is the Civ programmer's artistic interpretation of "Necessity is the mother of Invention"?

Or perhaps Motorized Transport or Fission if you're -really- lucky?.......

[yxhuvud]

Hmm. Does this hold for engineers as well?

*evil thoughts about continueing to put out troops despite being in anarchy *

[Krill]

Two problems, yxhuvud,
1) Civic engineers only work on buildings
2) They don't work during anarchy. (I suppose this is the overiding point, though)

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Krill
Two problems, yxhuvud,
1) Civic engineers only work on buildings
2) They don't work during anarchy. (I suppose this is the overiding pint, though)

if it wasn't for the latter, you could build a building (say, a palace) and then switch to a troop when you have accrued enough shields, producing the unit.

i've done something like that while in anarchy. one of my friends tried to assault me when i was in anarchy, knowing this would be my weakest time for a while. so i switched all my buildings to units, at a loss of shields. the units popped out though, much to his chagrin

[bongo]

Originally posted by Uber KruX i've done something like that while in anarchy. one of my friends tried to assault me when i was in anarchy, knowing this would be my weakest time for a while. so i switched all my buildings to units, at a loss of shields. the units popped out though, much to his chagrin

A bit evil but very satisfying I guess