Unit limits?

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Plotinus
....and misspelt comments

good pick-up and oh so subtle

[Mr Justice]

LOL
i h8 jumping on JT's back over this

sounds like a good toy throwing session there.
of course its reasonable to uninstall the game becuase of the serious game design flaw, actually, throw the box at the wall, go on, it will make u feel better.

for someone such as yourself who actually attempts Sid level games (im only on emporer), who played how many hours worth of Civ 3 to reach that level (unless it just came natural ), it must be incredably frustrating to realise that the programmers went out of there way to pick a unit level that was Reachable.

and yes, boy are they lucky ur not a rich man JT. if it was me id be sweating.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
I thought jt was back from ranting to constructive criticism. This thread proves the opposite.

sad

I could see the indignation if this was a new discovery or if Civ3 had just bee released, but this has been known for 2 years. Personally I find the 512 city limit to be a much worse limitation that I've run up against continually on giga maps, not that that would cause me to have a hissy fit like this.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Mr Justice
for someone such as yourself who actually attempts Sid level games (im only on emporer), who played how many hours worth of Civ 3 to reach that level (unless it just came natural ), it must be incredably frustrating to realise that the programmers went out of there way to pick a unit level that was Reachable.

welcome to 'poly

[Tall Stranger]

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[Alex]

jt: play SimGolf, I'm sure you won't find this unit problem there.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Re: Unit limits?

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Is there a limit?

As described already, yes.

What kind of problems will I face?

Can't think of any apart from the ones you have come up with already. You have assembled quite a list of problems.

Is there a workaround?

Change your expectations about the game? Otherwise no.

Should I just quit?

YES. For the love of all that is good, YES!

[Theseus]

Originally posted by Tall Stranger
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That is SERIOUSLY funny! Thanks, TS.

jt... WTF is going on in that game??!! Can you post it? I'm being serious... that almost sounds like an advanced AU challenge. It is surely a game to learn from. Jesu! An AI civ with 1000+ units? Can we say KAI... what were the factors that contributed to its success? At least post some screenies and a description.

[And btw, jt, how come we don;t see you over at AU... I've always thought of you as a top-notch player...]

Re the complaint: I do agree actually, that both the # of city and unit complaints are valid. I don't berate Firaxis for it, however, as it takes the players/users at the far right edge of the bell curve (that's a compliment!) to point out the limitations, and carve out a way towards the future. Uh, Bill Gates, I think, was the one who set the 640k limit in original DOS. He came back OK, and so will Civ.

[vmxa1]

Theseus the reason there are these monster KAI's is it is a Sid game.
They get lots of cities and make endless units as they pay nearly no support and the cost factor makes strucures go at the rate of AP game.

[Sinapus]

...I could have sworn that it was announced that they'd doubled the limit to 8000+.

At least when I play C3C with a custom map I made w/tons of barbarian camps scattered around I don't seem to run into the limit. In PTW, I'd keep running into the limit about the time of the Industrial era, when the 2nd barbarian uprising starts. Not in C3C.

[vmxa1]

I don't se any mention in the booklet or the readme and the game JT posted seems to imply it is not changed.

It would be a problem to change, I woul dguess as 4096 a nice 2 to 12th. To increase it mean a large field is needed. Can be done, but is often a lot of work.

[ErikM]

Look at it from the bright side.

Hittites only have 1,180 units.

Without max unit limit, it could have been 11,180

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by vmxa1
I don't se any mention in the booklet or the readme and the game JT posted seems to imply it is not changed.

It would be a problem to change, I woul dguess as 4096 a nice 2 to 12th. To increase it mean a large field is needed. Can be done, but is often a lot of work.

All I found is this thread from CivFanatics:

Link

[vmxa1]

It would be nice if they doc things. If Bamspeedy says it has been double that is good enough for me.

IIRC JT's complaint is that it has a limit at all. I have not run into it myself.

[asleepathewheel]

well, that's a bit unexpected. And yes, Bamspeedys word is to be trusted. I too wish they would do a much better job documenting changes.