ToE Run. Can this be done?

[steven8r]

Not to be impudent or to sound ungrateful Aeson, but I request a minor clarification.

Researching you can get Industrialization in 4, trade for Medicine (~80gpt +600g)...

What about Steam? Do I research or purchase?

Thanks,


Steven

[Aeson]

I meant Steam, sorry. Traded Electricity + some gold for Industrialization.

Here's a 1.15f save where you get ToE. I traded Scientific Method to everyone, so it's close (their builds are a turn or two away... 4-5 turns from scratch!)

Had 3 1 turn Worker cities going for a while, just switched 2 of them off.

[steven8r]

Cool. I was pretty sure that it could be done, I just got frustrated trying several times and failing to do it. (Probably a 'Forrest and Trees'-type of thing.)

[Yodavoice] Try not. Do, or Do Not. There is no Try. [/Yodavoice]

Thank you Aeson, for showing me the way--showing me the 'DO', and to Arrian for all your helpful suggestions. I bow to the 'collective wisdom' of Apolyton.

Edit: spelling

Steven

[steven8r]

One other question that probably should have come up even before the whole 'testing the objective' thing:

It IS possible to complete ToE. However, having accomplished said objective (as well as through continued saavy gameplay), is this game still.... 'winable'? Is it worth it to continue on? Can the tech disparity be overcome by this point? Or is it already too far gone by this point?

In order to get the research and complete the Wonders, Aeson had to dismantle most of Japan's military. In it's weakened situation, would Japan then become a prime target for 'Aztec Invasion'? Perhaps the various gpt deals will keep others from invading and cutting-off their cash supply.

Thanks again everyone (and a pre-emptive thanks to anyone else whom wants to have a go at it.)

Steven

[Aeson]

I figured you'd ask. It doesn't seem right that you can play with almost no defense, but against the AI you can. You just have to be willing to set up some sort of buffer that will last you long enough to rev up military production.

I played on a bit after, and the Aztecs did invade just before I completed Hoover (which they sabatoged too). I lost the Silk city of course, and the two small coastal cities near the bottleneck. That was it. I probably wouldn't have lost anything if instead of Samurai I had kept the Pikes and upgrade them. Samurai just look so cool I kept them instead. I had also disbanded 2 of the Armies (the ones with Swords in them) to help rush a Factory.

Here is the first turn of the war:

[Aeson]

Now 8 turns later the Aztecs are facing war with everyone, and just asked for peace straight up, the war is 'won', and its up to your discretion how long to make it last. I've mostly killed their offensive capacity (about 30 Cavalry down), but they do have a lot of Infantry left.

3 cities capable of an Artillery per turn, two of them could be Infantry a turn. Also there are 2 Infantry Armies those Elite Samurai were nice enough to generate Leaders for. If you want to go the bombard route, you could take out the Aztecs pretty easily.

Would take a while though.

[steven8r]

Originally posted by Aeson
Also there are 2 Infantry Armies those Elite Samurai were nice enough to generate Leaders for.

Yeah, in one of the 'iterations' of this game I played, the Aztecs declared war on me and I was able to fend off their Cavalry w/ my Samurai. I got 12 MGL's just from that war alone! But I quit that game because I got waaay behind in techs and the Aztecs were starting to send in Tanks and their Bombers were even more devastating than my Artys.

I probably let that war go on too long, but I got the Zulus and Celts Allied with me and didn't want to break the Treaty--Celts did, though. And then, that same turn, they declared War on ME!!! Bad Celts!!

I'll try playing from the save and see what I can do w/ all the good input that I've recieved.

Edit: Spelling /Edit

Steven

[steven8r]

Originally posted by Aeson
I probably wouldn't have lost anything if instead of Samurai I had kept the Pikes and upgrade them. Samurai just look so cool I kept them instead.

I have to agree. Plus, Samurai have better Attack than Cav has Defense (4 vs 3) AND Samis have better Defense than Pikes , but also a shorter upgrade path.

Plus, the Samis (at least several of them) were Elites.

Steven

[Theseus]

Disbanded Armies...

Seriously, this is why 'poly is soooo great.

Good job Aeson!

[Aeson]

With only 16 cities you have to be a bit picky about what Armies to keep around.

[Theseus]

Heathen.

[vmxa1]

Practical.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Originally posted by Theseus
Disbanded Armies...

A man in love....

[Mountain Sage]

Originally posted by Theseus
Disbanded Armies...

Ah, someone who knows how to play....

[steven8r]

Aeson,

I just had a look at your game 1 turn before ToE.

A couple of questions,

1. When did the Iron show-up near Nicaea? It's cool and all and Nicaea is just 2 turns away from IronWorks. I used to have 2 sources of Iron (hence the city, 'IronFish') but that disapeared shortly after I culture-bombed it from the Scandies.

2. From whom did you get all the gov't techs? I think I remember the Dutch having some of them. Just currious.

3. Ok, not really a question. Man! Japan's military is GONE!!! Yes, you mentioned that in a post, but MAN!! It just looks kinda weird.

4. Is the IronWorks a prebuild or do you intend to use Nicaea as a Super Factory town? I've rarely been able to build IW and don't know much about it except that it increaces production, I think, similar to another Factory and it may generate some Culture.

5. What about Universal Sufferage? Most of the AI's are probably already building it. And since they won't get ToE, should it even be attempted? I'll let it play a few turns and see.

6. Not really important, but I am currious--How did Celts end-up w/ Shakespere's Theatre? In various attempts I've played from the save either Japan or Zulu get it.

Most of these questions probably aren't earth-shatteringly important, but hopefully the answers may give me a glimpse into your mind (or at least your thinking), thus (hopefully) improving my own.
* Steven8r scratches head and wonders if he really wants to know how Aeson thinks.

Thanks for your helpful advise,

Steven