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  • #76
    The reason I dismiss it is because it is asine. It also presumes an evil or malicious intent that I am not willing to accept on such trivial data.
    It is more likely just carelessness or economics. If there was some supporting facts, then we could go down that path.
    When people I don't know do something that I could interpret as a slight, I give them the beneifit of the doubt.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by vmxa1
      When people I don't know do something that I could interpret as a slight, I give them the beneifit of the doubt.
      "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

      Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
        "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
        "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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        • #79
          The problem with this thread is it allows to much spam by those eager to spam. It would be better to get locked up and forgotten.

          Its funny how most of the really LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG and boring posts are by settlers, set up as DL'S to spam away until fried by ming.

          This is as Theseus and others have stated a forum to discuss a game, not to trawl through the mire of s**t posted by some and most recently by SporkPimp.
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          • #80
            Then make me a mod and I'll lock it down already!

            Seriously though, speaking as forum newbie having made long boring posts , I only post up on stuff on the topmost page of threads (so far ). I haven't the time to trawl ten years of archives...
            It's all my territory really, they just squat on it...!
            She didn't declare war on me, she's just playing 'hard to get'...

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            • #81
              So, you continue spamming this thread, you nOOb's ?!

              Anyway. just a thought.

              If you think that Civ is racist, then why do you play it? Why do you buy it? And why are you posting here in a Civ-players forum?.

              With this, it seems (at least for me) that you don't like Civ.....

              And, when the mods will end their Xmas celebrations and will toast this thread, uh?

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              • #82
                Should Bismarck or Lincoln or Queen Elizabeth have represented the Olmecs?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by JazzToucan
                  Should Bismarck or Lincoln or Queen Elizabeth have represented the Olmecs?
                  Yes.

                  I believe the point everyone is trying to make is that it doesn't really matter. I don't think we have any surviving portraits of notable Olmec leaders of any reasonable quality but that shouldn't stop us from including them as a civ. I play Civ because its a darn good strategy game. Graphics and sound are a secondary concern (and a distant one at that. I used to enjoy playing Empire as well.)
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                  2004 Presidential Candidate
                  2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                  • #84
                    pc+1
                    What's a troll?
                    ... good to see things toned down on this thread ... they were getting quite fiery ... I think The Slayer made the best point

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                    • #85
                      nah, this thread should remain open to all kinds of spam fests... then the massive punishment could begin...
                      I watched you fall. I think I pushed.

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                      • #86
                        This thread is absolutely ridiculously pathetic.

                        I find it totally despicable how some people find "racism" even in the most inoffensive things, case in point the Mesoamerican scenario. As a Mexican, I should have far more reason to complain if I found this scenario racist, and guess what? I don't. What is worse is that these dumb-ass PC idiots in their quest to make this world safe from bigotry and discrimination end up complaining about things that don't even correspond to their countries or culture.

                        Tell me, those who think this scenario is racist: do you have indian blood in you? Are you a descendant of any of the cultures included in the Mesoamerica scenario? I thought not.

                        -MZ
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Vince278


                          "You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran

                          Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior
                            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                            2004 Presidential Candidate
                            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Puma
                              pc+1
                              What's a troll?
                              ... good to see things toned down on this thread ... they were getting quite fiery ... I think The Slayer made the best point
                              A troll is someone who posts solely to start a huge argument/flamewar (basically baiting, except not directed at anyone).`

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                              • #90
                                What a vitriolic lot, and over Christmas too!

                                Well, I think jkelly is right. The merits or otherwise of the original post in this increasingly unedifying thread are wholly overshadowed by some of the responses to it. jkelly is right to say that, if there is racism in Civ3 or any other computer game, that is serious. And Sporkpimp apparently wilfully misunderstands him. Any attempt to *create* a fire-and-brimstone outrage is of course reprehensible. But jkelly did not defend such an act - what he defended was the criticism of racism that, in the eyes of the critic, really is there. After all, if Civ3 or any other game *were* racist, wouldn't it be right to point it out? As I said before, I don't think there is any racism there, and I think the original poster was wrong, for much the same reasons that vmxa1 gives. But if so then it should be shown *why* he is wrong - he shouldn't just be showered with abuse. Calling him "sad" or "pathetic", especially in posts consisting of little else than that one word, is ridiculous and incredibly offensive. He's making a serious point that deserves to be taken seriously even if it's wrong. If people have no better comments to make than monosyllabic insults, they might do better to keep them to themselves.

                                jkelly is right again to criticise those who bandy around labels like "PC". In today's society, to be called "PC" is to be labelled so breathtakingly unfashionable as not to merit being taken seriously at all. And that is pure laziness, quite apart from the disrespect and rudeness it entails. Being PC doesn't make someone wrong, however trendy it may be to mock them.

                                In any case, this whole thread has gone desperately off topic, and everyone wants it deleted. Can't this be arranged pronto so everyone can get back to arguing about important things, like whether Joan or Theodora is hotter?

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