What's the best UU now?

[Pep]

My bet goes for Conquistadores! Avaliable with Astronomy and with no map trading until Navigation, they are REALLY useful now!

Now you have an increased chance to have them before the enemy has pikemen. Just unload some of them in a new continent with civilizations not very advanced in science and see the results...

[statusperfect]

Why not beeline for cavs and use them instead??

[joncnunn]

Hum, good point on less advanced enemys: The major way to catch up with techs if you weren't the first to discover the other contientant was to buy the cheapest contact from the player who did for your WM, then use that contact for tech, WM, or contact trading.

This postponement to the middle age (combined with max research time now 50 turns) delays all those tactics, grealy helping out the Conquistador.

[alva]

I think the Gaellic swordsman is a darn good contender.

Pre-C3C I would say Siphahi (loooong life-span and very effective in SP games. )

[Novaya Havoc]

Blitzing Cossack.

[G'Kar]

Originally posted by Novaya Havoc
Blitzing Cossack.

I was tempted to say blitzing cossack but often they're going to take too much damage on the first attack to be used more than once per turn.

The Immortal is still #1.

[vmxa1]

I don't know about best, but I was all set to like the Enkidu. till I realized it would be GA before you put your boots on. It would have been fun rush with it I suspect.

[Dominae]

Gallic or Cossack.

[Kuciwalker]

I like Berserks.

[Catt]

What about Mayan Jav Throwers? I have no experience and so won't express an opinion -- but I am intrigued by the enslavement capability and would think that the opportunity for several extra slave workers in an ancient archer rush would be powerful (albeit less so with an industrious civ).

Blitzing cossacks make the mouth water however . . .

Catt

[Kuciwalker]

Aren't the Mayans only in one of the scenarios?

[Dominae]

Originally posted by Catt
What about Mayan Jav Throwers? I have no experience and so won't express an opinion -- but I am intrigued by the enslavement capability and would think that the opportunity for several extra slave workers in an ancient archer rush would be powerful (albeit less so with an industrious civ).

1. Javelineers cost 30 Shields.
2. Enslavement is a 1 in 3 chance.

I'm not saying it's a bad UU, just that it takes some work to shine.


Dominae

[Tassadar500]

It doesn't seem to good after all

[Catt]

Originally posted by Dominae

1. Javelineers cost 30 Shields.
2. Enslavement is a 1 in 3 chance.

I'm not saying it's a bad UU, just that it takes some work to shine.

Yes, I can see your points. Only a ways into my initial game, but the %$#@! 30 shield cost is painful. Combined with the lack of cheap barracks (no militaristic) I despair at building a powerful Jav Thrower force for a mid / late ancient age war. OTOH, I've only killed two barbs and have enslaved one barbarian worker (enslavement works against barbs!), and there are a lot of enemy regular warriors running around which seem to have "enslaved worker" tatoo-ed on their chests.

Silly side-note: I beelined to Math for the Zeus wonder (and free ancient cavs) without remembering that I need ivory to build the wonder -- ivory is not yet seen anywhere and my continent-mates are not building the wonder, so I have a palace pre-build working towards who-knows-what.

Second silly side-note: With the Portuguese, Incas, and Rome on my continent, I was the third civ to discover Mathematics (and ivory is as yet unknown on our landmass) -- so either a hut gave Math or the AI civs are hot and heavy after Math in C3C.

Catt

[Thoth]

Originally posted by Catt
What about Mayan Jav Throwers? I have no experience and so won't express an opinion -- but I am intrigued by the enslavement capability and would think that the opportunity for several extra slave workers in an ancient archer rush would be powerful (albeit less so with an industrious civ).

Catt

I can't recall the Mayan's civ traits offhand, but I would say that industrious would boost the value of an enslavement rush. You're getting a lot more from each worker you capture.

I'm going to have to give the Mayan's a try, the sheer fun-factor potential of the Jav thrower is awesome.