Conquests and PTW

[dexters]

one you have all the facts you can start to trow mud , ...... atari had nothing to do with the second XP , .......

as for the PTW sales , ones again get your facts , ......

and switch disk , this one start to get boring , .....

there are plenty of sites where you can post your feelings , these sites where created only for that purpose , .......

PTW sold pretty well, it was mentioned in one of the post PTW chat sessions. Are you saying it sold poorly?

And what do you mean ATARI has nothing to do with the second XP? They are the publishers. The give the final say. Moo3's developer QS software WANTS TO DO AN XP. Atari doesn't want to because the game sold poorly. That was the end of that idea. The only reason there is a C3C is because Atari wants it to happen. Whether Firaxis wants it is secondary.

[Falconius]

Originally posted by Defcon5
and have a nice day!

You know panag is furious when he forgets to wish you a nice day! And he didn't even say Hi either!

[dexters]

I once commented that Panag is the most courteous poster around since he always ends with "have a nice day"

This is an emotional issue I suppose.

I'm still angry at Atari for how they plan to release Conquests, but I understand all of us in here are civvers, on the same boat, with the same interests.

It's good to have a laugh now and then.

hehe

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

what the heck is unfair about it , ......


many of you dont know this but originally there was not even an other XP planned , ......

so , ones again , what the heck is unfair about it , ..........


have a nice day

I still do not see why you don't see it.

From a sellers/marketeers perspective it makes sense to sell it so that everybody that has Civ3 can buy it. If you could only install it on top of PTW, they would've limited their market. By offering the PTW content with Conquests they just make the productive more attractive but they also rip off the people that bought PTW.

As an example we can take a series like "The Sopranos", buying the whole second season does not entitle you to the first season.

On the other side I usually spend $30 every month for magazines and DVDs, paying that for an expansion that ads so much value in terms of fun and hours is ok.

So long....

and by the way

have a nice day.....

[PLATO]

Actually I think that it is a good thing that they are including PTW with conquests. They sure didn't have to. However well PTW sold, it did not sell as well as the original CIV3. This hopefully will reenergize some who bought CIV3 and did not get PTW. So you paid the $$ for PTW, so what? You got a year's worth of content the non buyers didn't and you get a leg up on how to play C3C. If they had stopped after PTW would you be happier??? The release of PTW kept interest high and C3C will do the same. If they release another XP next year then so much the better! Keep 'em coming Atari!!

BTW, I have never seen panag forget the "hi" and "have a nice day" before eithier.

[dexters]

The point being made is NOT to deny people who don't have PTW of the game.

But it would be NICE if Atari recognized quite a few people bought PTW and released a version of Conquests , lets call it Conquests LITE for a lower price for PTW users where all they need to do is install and upgrade their content.

Those people who don't have PTW can still buy the C3C full version.

Atari's current Civ3 xp strategy is very unique, and strange. As far as I can remember, no publisher in recent memory has repackaged last year's XP into this year's XP. The least they could do is not act like it's business as usual on the product pricing front. There are people out there, like me, who feel they've duped me out of my $30. It's especially hard for me since I just got PTW in May. Less than a year.

The real irony here is, Atari /Firaxis is still selling PTW on the Civ3.com website. I'm sure there are plenty of casual gamers out there not following the Civ scene closely who will buy PTW thinking Conquests will be a new XP. Do you find it strange that PTW's inclusion in C3C is NOT LISTED in the C3C features list on the official website? Atari hiding from consumer anger? I think so.

[Sheik]

Panag, if I remember correctly did not use have a nice day in a thread in the help forum a little while ago when responding to vmxa1's post, because vxma1 made a negative comment about it in a previous post. Just a little forum trivia for anyone who cares.

[dexters]

So Panag disrespects people who disagrees with him?
hmmmm

[G'Kar]

Originally posted by dexters
But it would be NICE if Atari recognized quite a few people bought PTW and released a version of Conquests , lets call it Conquests LITE for a lower price for PTW users where all they need to do is install and upgrade their content.

That or a rebate for PTW owners would be a good idea. But regardless, I'm glad Conquests is coming out.

[PLATO]

Sure it would be nice to get a cheaper price or rebate. But $30 for a year of PTW is not to bad...less than a dime a day. If you go to Yahoo, its $4.95 to play for 3 days. Pretty cost effective way to play IMO. Do I eel ripped off? NO. Would I accept a discount? YES. Will I buy C3C without a discount? On the first day! If Atari had said they would let you play C3C a year before its release for $30 and then after the year you had the option to buy it and an expansion pack, what would you have said?

[dexters]

$30 is not bad? That's the standard price for XPs. Core games go for only $15 more.

I think those who didn't buy PTW are getting a good deal. And I will say that I am happy for them.

But as a consumer who did buy PTW, and I boughbt my copy just this April, $30 is not a good deal, since a good amount of content in C3C will be PTW.

[statusperfect]

Originally posted by dexters
$30 is not bad? That's the standard price for XPs. Core games go for only $15 more.

I think those who didn't buy PTW are getting a good deal. And I will say that I am happy for them.

But as a consumer who did buy PTW, and I boughbt my copy just this April, $30 is not a good deal, since a good amount of content in C3C will be PTW.

If you buy a 2002 model car. DO you feel screwed if you have to pay a full price for the 2003 model since it includes all the features of the previous one + improvements?

[Panag]

Originally posted by The Pioneer


I still do not see why you don't see it.

From a sellers/marketeers perspective it makes sense to sell it so that everybody that has Civ3 can buy it. If you could only install it on top of PTW, they would've limited their market. By offering the PTW content with Conquests they just make the productive more attractive but they also rip off the people that bought PTW.

As an example we can take a series like "The Sopranos", buying the whole second season does not entitle you to the first season.

On the other side I usually spend $30 every month for magazines and DVDs, paying that for an expansion that ads so much value in terms of fun and hours is ok.

So long....

and by the way

have a nice day.....

hi ,

read again , first check to see for what the post you quoted was a reply for , ..........

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by statusperfect


If you buy a 2002 model car. DO you feel screwed if you have to pay a full price for the 2003 model since it includes all the features of the previous one + improvements?

hi ,

you have given the answer yourself , " + improvements " , .......

its an XP , .....


and many people shall pay with a great smile on their faces them 30 bucks , .......

have a nice day

[dexters]

Originally posted by statusperfect


If you buy a 2002 model car. DO you feel screwed if you have to pay a full price for the 2003 model since it includes all the features of the previous one + improvements?

Buying cars is differet. Cars have practical use value. There may be status and other emotional values as well. In terms of games, it's primarily the entertainment value we are buying and it's intellectual property, meaning it costs very little to make additional copies. All the costs are in the first unit. Not true for cars.

Your analogy assumes the car industry is the same as the software industry. Which is clearly false.

I repeat my claims

#1 What Atari is doing is UNUSUAL. But they are pricing the product as if its business as usual. Ignoring entirely the fact that a segment of the end users will have PTW.

#2 If publishers did what Atari is doing routinely, perhaps it would be better. But the fact of the matter is, Atari is doing something UNSUAL. They are re-selling content they already sold to the users last year and making no price adjustments.

Instead of telling me why I should be happy for Atari, how about explain to me what justifies Atari's actions, when companies like Blizzard, release fully formed XPs at the same price (no rehashing of content) or EA releases XPs at $20 ($10 cheaper) and then throws in another $10 rebate for users, no rehashing of content either. Atari's XP package in contrast, looks like a massive profiteering scheme.