Civs in Civ3: Conquests

[Panag]

Originally posted by Master Zen



Um, panag, sorry but despite your love of all thing military ICBMs and SLBMs are not the same thing military-wise

You will never see a military comparison chart which lists ICBMs as representative of all other types of warheads. If you want to say all nukes, you say simply, Nuclear Warheads which encompasses ICBMs, SLBM, air-dropped bombs, tactical missiles, etc etc etc..

To put it simply panag: do you think Isreal would win in a nuclear exchange against Britain or France?

hi ,

every slbm is an icbm , ..... however not every icbm is not an slbm , .....

we are talking "general terms"

and as for your ignorant remark at the bottom of your post , ..... *sigh*

have a nice day

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by panag

know what we have before you write about Israel , .....

we do have ICBM's , both sub , land and air launchable , .... with very long ranges , veeeeery long ones , .....

and as it may be , the M1 or M2 or any other tank in the world for that matter still does not protect its crew like the Merkava , .... engine in front , special compartments , etc , ..... it would be cheaper for Israel to buy the american build M2 , yet we dont do it , you know why , because our design is all about survival , survival on the battlefield , and thats one lesson all those other countries still have to learn , ......

so Merkava versus Abraham's , ..... Merkava any day

foreign build planes , ..... sure , they dont want us to build any more military planes , ...... IAI , has sold thousands of civilian planes btw , and happens to be the uncontested market leader in its class , ....

have a nice day

This post just shows your utter ignorance of military matters.

First of all, Israel does not have SLBMs. If they do, please tell me the missle and submarine class which deploys them. In fact, neither of Israel's two classes of deployed missiles even has intercontinental range, thus it is incorrect to say that those missiles are even ICBMs, but rather SRBMs, short-range ballistic missiles. or MRBMs, medium range (I'm referring to the Jericho class).

Now about tanks. The M2 is not a tank. It's an Infantry Fighting Vehicle designed to transport troops and let them fight in it. It is equipped with a a 25mm gun and TOW anti-tank missiles. That does not make it a tank.

As for the Merkava, yes, it is the best protected tank in the world. But that is not to say it is the best. It is the best for Israel since it was designed for urban combat in which crew protection and a rear entry/exit is vital to avoid losses when the tank crew is exposed. So, yes, if I were an Israeli commander, I would take the Merkava over any other tank.

However, you seem to imply that the Merkava is universally better than any other and this is wrong. The M1, the Leopard, Leclerc, Challanger 2, etc., this new generation of western tanks were not designed solely for urban combat but rather combat in the more open terrain of Europe rather than the rubble of Gaza or the West Bank. I would take an M1 or a Leopard ANY day over the Merkava in open terrain.

As for aircraft, the idea you built up an aircraft capability from scratch is also false. The Kfir is based on the French Mirage...

Finally, I am not intending to slam Israel's armed forces in any way or it's military industry which is admirable for such a small nation. And yes, the Merkava is a great tank, no doubt about it. Still, some of your claims are simply too ludicrious to be taken seriously.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Master Zen


This post just shows your utter ignorance of military matters.

First of all, Israel does not have SLBMs. If they do, please tell me the missle and submarine class which deploys them. In fact, neither of Israel's two classes of deployed missiles even has intercontinental range, thus it is incorrect to say that those missiles are even ICBMs, but rather SRBMs, short-range ballistic missiles. or MRBMs, medium range (I'm referring to the Jericho class).

Now about tanks. The M2 is not a tank. It's an Infantry Fighting Vehicle designed to transport troops and let them fight in it. It is equipped with a a 25mm gun and TOW anti-tank missiles. That does not make it a tank.

As for the Merkava, yes, it is the best protected tank in the world. But that is not to say it is the best. It is the best for Israel since it was designed for urban combat in which crew protection and a rear entry/exit is vital to avoid losses when the tank crew is exposed. So, yes, if I were an Israeli commander, I would take the Merkava over any other tank.

However, you seem to imply that the Merkava is universally better than any other and this is wrong. The M1, the Leopard, Leclerc, Challanger 2, etc., this new generation of western tanks were not designed solely for urban combat but rather combat in the more open terrain of Europe rather than the rubble of Gaza or the West Bank. I would take an M1 or a Leopard ANY day over the Merkava in open terrain.

As for aircraft, the idea you built up an aircraft capability from scratch is also false. The Kfir is based on the French Mirage...

Finally, I am not intending to slam Israel's armed forces in any way or it's military industry which is admirable for such a small nation. And yes, the Merkava is a great tank, no doubt about it. Still, some of your claims are simply too ludicrious to be taken seriously.

hi ,

m2 = abrahams of the sond generation

as for us not having slbm , ....and therest of your comments

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

m2 = abrahams of the second generation

as for us not having slbm , ....and the rest of your comments

have a nice day

edit ; typo

[Master Zen]

The M2 is not a second generation abrahams, that's the M1A2...

oh well, as usually it is pointless to argue with you. I'd just like to say that Mexico also has SLBMs, our submarines roam the seas and oceans of the world. No-one knows of course, not any respectable military journal or foreign intelligence agencies either. It's the best kept secret in the world... well, besides that of Nicaragua's SLBMs too...



have a nice day, I'm outta here

[Panag]

Originally posted by Master Zen
The M2 is not a second generation abrahams, that's the M1A2...

oh well, as usually it is pointless to argue with you. I'd just like to say that Mexico also has SLBMs, our submarines roam the seas and oceans of the world. No-one knows of course, not any respectable military journal or foreign intelligence agencies either. It's the best kept secret in the world... well, besides that of Nicaragua's SLBMs too...



have a nice day, I'm outta here

hi ,

when i write m2 and i mean abrahams two its my problem not yours , ......

you have not slbm's whatsoever , ...... in Mexico

and yes its pointless to argue with you , ......

have a nice day

[Schee]

However, you seem to imply that the Merkava is universally better than any other and this is wrong. The M1, the Leopard, Leclerc, Challanger 2, etc., this new generation of western tanks were not designed solely for urban combat but rather combat in the more open terrain of Europe rather than the rubble of Gaza or the West Bank. I would take an M1 or a Leopard ANY day over the Merkava in open terrain

Wait... he was talking of a combat in Civ3 ! Everyone knows that even a spearman could destroy any western tank in Civ3, so a Merkava would be fine

[Panag]

Originally posted by Schee


Wait... he was talking of a combat in Civ3 ! Everyone knows that even a spearman could destroy any western tank in Civ3, so a Merkava would be fine

hi ,

when that happens , just think of a guy with a lot of guts and loads of luck , ..... imagine he placed a limpet mine or something , .......

have a nice day

[David Murray]

Originally posted by panag


hi ,

we did ourselves without any ones help , .....

have a nice day

Is that your final answer?

[Panag]

Originally posted by David Murray


Is that your final answer?

hi ,

building three combat airplanes , ...... well that aint bad is it , no to mention a couple dual use planes , .....

have a nice day

[Patroklos]

Master Zen pretty much put this thread back in perspective. Isreal is a great nation with an admirable military, but your claims panag, are absolutely ridiculous. I would like you to go find Jane's Fighting Vehicles, Jan's Fighting Ships, and Jan's Fighting Aircraft and back up what you say (or any other respected military publication). The development of SLBMs alone by the United States and then their deployment and maintainance is several times the GNP of Isreal, it is not possible for you to have them. That is also true for you "ICBM"s, since the missiles you refer to are barely more capable than a SCUB and thus MRBMs (If you think not, they point me to you obviously flawed military publication that says otherwise).

Have pride in you military by all means, no matter where your from. But don't make outrageous claims like that are obviously wrong, especially with nothing to back them up.

I still vote for the Souix, Kmer, and a Sub Sahara Africa civ, for the sake of filling in the world map. (We probobly need another South American civ as well)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Master Zen pretty much put this thread back in perspective. Isreal is a great nation with an admirable military, but your claims panag, are absolutely ridiculous. I would like you to go find Jane's Fighting Vehicles, Jan's Fighting Ships, and Jan's Fighting Aircraft and back up what you say (or any other respected military publication). The development of SLBMs alone by the United States and then their deployment and maintainance is several times the GNP of Isreal, it is not possible for you to have them. That is also true for you "ICBM"s, since the missiles you refer to are barely more capable than a SCUB and thus MRBMs (If you think not, they point me to you obviously flawed military publication that says otherwise).

Have pride in you military by all means, no matter where your from. But don't make outrageous claims like that are obviously wrong, especially with nothing to back them up.

I still vote for the Souix, Kmer, and a Sub Sahara Africa civ, for the sake of filling in the world map. (We probobly need another South American civ as well)

hi ,

if you would have seens janes , then you know how to write Israel's name correct to start with , ......

two , you would have to pay to see the proof , and then you can take your words back , .....

if you can find janes on the net , you can find the rest , ......

so dont post about things you know zilch about , especially when you have nothing to back it up , ......

have a nice day

[Master Zen]

actually panag, your ludicrous claims are precisely the ones which you have failed to back up. Care to give us some specs on Israel's suppossed ICBMS and SLBMs? Oh wait, you must be some super-secret Mossad agent and if you told us, you'd have to kill us...

(that's ok, I wouldn't have given you the specs on Mexico's Tequila II-class boomers either...)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Master Zen
actually panag, your ludicrous claims are precisely the ones which you have failed to back up. Care to give us some specs on Israel's suppossed ICBMS and SLBMs? Oh wait, you must be some super-secret Mossad agent and if you told us, you'd have to kill us...

(that's ok, I wouldn't have given you the specs on Mexico's Tequila II-class boomers either...)

keep your stupid remarks and comments to yourself , and out of a game thread , .......

we have had this conversation before and you where provided with the evidence then , so dont act in this thread as your nose bleeds , .......

since you can post here , since you have an IQ thats higher the 2 , therefore it seems very possible and most likely that you can find and use an internet search engine and find what you need , .......

and no , mexico has no nuclear weapons what-so-ever , ......

[Harovan]

Considering the fact, that the next 2 continents are very close (Africa can be hit by a short range missile, Europe by a medium range missile), the term "intercontinental" doesn't mean much.

Overall this thread is hilarious. One trolls about a microcountry being a global superpower, and all others take it serious and feed this troll ad infinitum.