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Originally posted by Patroklos
Hey All,
I assure you that the designers of video games are normally a diverse crowd themselves, so we really don't have to worry about them leaning to any particully geographic region. Most consumers buy civ to do the "what if" scenario.
"What if" the English did this,
"What if" I had ruled the Chinese.
For this reason the Civs included are those that were world powers OF SIGNIFIGANCE during there day, the ones people know. (i.e. England, Egypt, China, Aztec, etc.).
I have a degree in history, amongst other things, and know of scores of civilizations and nations and sects and tribes and on and on that are infinitly interesting and have contributed to the wealth of human history.
That doesn't, however, make them movers and shakers. We all know the Hebrew/Isrealite were influential, but in all reality they never had a singley continuous reign of more than fifty years without a) bieng conquered or b ) breaking into civil war/disorder. Someone want to tell me the territory maximum they ever held? Lots of potential but they normally stunted themselves or just got rolled over by the civs that are included (Egypt, Babylon, Hitties, Greeks, Romans, Ottamans, Arabs, Persains, Mongols, etc.). You can argue about battles if you want, but Isreal was ultimatley conquered by all these empires and never held dominion over a single one of them in turn.
So, with Isreal as an example, thats how civs should be picked. By relative power at there hieght (note relative, modern Isreal is more powerful than extinct Babylon now obviously, but Babylon was for a time the jewel of the civilized world, Isreal (and I happen to like Isreal) is a second rate modern power).
Also, you need to fill in the map, and for my part I say add the Kmers, Souix, and someone to Africa. When I play huge maps with real starting locations China and India just expolde while I (I play persia) get bogged down in the Middle East.
Hey All,
I assure you that the designers of video games are normally a diverse crowd themselves, so we really don't have to worry about them leaning to any particully geographic region. Most consumers buy civ to do the "what if" scenario.
"What if" the English did this,
"What if" I had ruled the Chinese.
For this reason the Civs included are those that were world powers OF SIGNIFIGANCE during there day, the ones people know. (i.e. England, Egypt, China, Aztec, etc.).
I have a degree in history, amongst other things, and know of scores of civilizations and nations and sects and tribes and on and on that are infinitly interesting and have contributed to the wealth of human history.
That doesn't, however, make them movers and shakers. We all know the Hebrew/Isrealite were influential, but in all reality they never had a singley continuous reign of more than fifty years without a) bieng conquered or b ) breaking into civil war/disorder. Someone want to tell me the territory maximum they ever held? Lots of potential but they normally stunted themselves or just got rolled over by the civs that are included (Egypt, Babylon, Hitties, Greeks, Romans, Ottamans, Arabs, Persains, Mongols, etc.). You can argue about battles if you want, but Isreal was ultimatley conquered by all these empires and never held dominion over a single one of them in turn.
So, with Isreal as an example, thats how civs should be picked. By relative power at there hieght (note relative, modern Isreal is more powerful than extinct Babylon now obviously, but Babylon was for a time the jewel of the civilized world, Isreal (and I happen to like Isreal) is a second rate modern power).
Also, you need to fill in the map, and for my part I say add the Kmers, Souix, and someone to Africa. When I play huge maps with real starting locations China and India just expolde while I (I play persia) get bogged down in the Middle East.
hi ,
Patrokolos , are you going to give 50 bucks for each year we had a reign after fifthy years , .......
and if Israel happens to be a " second rate modern power " then there are some questions and facts that come to mind , ......
if you put a country that has had for nearly three decades ICBM's down as " second rate " then what do you name a country like Greece that has till this day no ICBM's , .....
no to mention a couple jet fighters and tanks designed from peanuts and some scratch , ...... that now belong in the worlds top ten , ......
not to mention that till this day we have a tank since a long time that happens to be the only tank till this day btw that has room for a stretcher or an infantry unit , a backdoor to make evacuation and operations easy , an engine places in the front and a design that is the only one in the world made to put the emphasis on the protection and safekeeping of its occupants , ..... the french leclerc comes on the second places , about a mile down the line , .....
have a nice day
p.s. : its Israel guys , not Isreal , ....
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