Contents of Civ3-XP: Place Your Bets Here!

[Master Zen]

Civilizations:

(besides the 4 confirmed)

Byzantines: ind/rel

Phoenicians: com/exp UU: an improved galley-type ship

Portuguese: com/exp UU: should have been the Man of War...

Hebrews: rel/com



(note, the traits are what I think they should be, most likely they'll be different)

[Spiffor]

Re: Contents of Civ3-XP: Place Your Bets Here!

• The eight (8) new Civilizations;
  Hittites
  Sumerians
  Inca
  Maya
  Khmers
  Hebrews
  Ethiopian / Mali
  Dutch
  
• The new Resources;
  Tobacco, Jade and Exotic birds (all 3 luxuries). I don't think there will be anything else.
  
• The new Wonders;
  The Temple of Zeus
  Eiffel Tower
  Statue of Liberty
  Angkor Wat
  
• The new Governments;
  "Bureaucratic Monarchy" (something to reflect more advanced monarchies of the renaissance era, different from feudal monarchies)
  Fundamentalism
  
• The new Disasters;
  Volcano eruptions
  Earthquakes
  Floods
  Pirates
  
• "Other Things";
  Unit trading

Edit : how could I forget the Hebrews ?

[Jon Shafer]

FYI bauxite = aluminum.

"Other Things:"

An editor I won't be satisfied with.

[Master Zen]

So far they haven't mentioned the magic word:

EVENTS

[Spiffor]

Trip :
What kind of exotic features would you need from an editor to be satisfied ?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Master Zen
So far they haven't mentioned the magic word:
EVENTS

If they are to make scenarios and 'more powerful tools than has ever existed in a Civ game', events will be in. Except for events and tweakable diplomacy, everything is set to make scenarios in the current editor. With a whole year to work on it, I'd assume they'll have finished this big mark on the wishlist. After all, powerful scenario abilities seem to be the forcus of this expansion.

[Jon Shafer]

Actually it sounds more like PTW where instead of emphasizing the MP aspects of the XP they're emphasizing the SP ones. PTW came with "enhanced editor support" and "all new scenarios and features" also.

Spiffor, by now you should know that 'more powerful tools than has ever existed in a Civ game' is just marketing language to make people excited about what might be in the game. Until they start naming specifics, I won't plan on buying it.

[Jon Shafer]

Besides, even if diplomacy is in, I doubt events are in. If events are, I will be impressed, but not enthralled. There are many things I would like to see in the editor besides those two, including labels (the ability to put words on the map), building customization, city customization, more control over resources and their effects, easier customization of units (instead of having to change 4 files to make the game work with them), the same goes with techs and other things like that.

All said, Civ 3 suffers from the obvious problem of "we designed it as a SP game with no other features and now we're scrambling to make the other added features work." You can't even move the graphical representation of techs on the tech screen without having to completely change the source graphics file, which means for every new tech you add, you have to make a custom graphics file, customize where you need to click on this screen, play with code in the civilopedia and pediaicons files, all in addition to designating what the tech actually does. And there is a woeful amount of customization you can do with techs. After a certain point, all custom techs can do is unveil new resources/buildings/units, and none of the "cool" effects, like reducing disease from flood plains, or allowing new worker actions, or the ability to cross rivers without the movement penalty. A vast multitude of things missing which will always make the Civ 3 editor relatively weak when you think about it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Trip
Spiffor, by now you should know that 'more powerful tools than has ever existed in a Civ game' is just marketing language to make people excited about what might be in the game. Until they start naming specifics, I won't plan on buying it.

Indeed. I don't rule out the editor to be half-assed (yet I am much less demanding than ytou ), and I am aware it is RP talk here. But I think events are definitely in.
Fixed diplomacy sure is a cool change, but it isn't enough of a drastic change to back one year of development. After all, Mike Breitkreutz made the major editor change -that is, having the editor understand the concept of 'individual Civs'- in a few months, and in a patch.
Weren't SP concerns the focus of this expansion, I wouldn't hold my breath for events. But from the beginning of the speculations on PtW one year ago, I think the same. First expansion would be Civ : Play the others and second expansion would be Civ : Play the Scenarios

I'd just hate to have my predictions wrong

[Jon Shafer]

The work Mike got done for 1.29f was rather impressive but since then I haven't seen much of anything to be too impressed about regarding the editor, aside from the ability to load different graphics, but that's not worth the work for an entire XP. I don't even know if there were any changes made between 1.14f and 1.21f.

Despite the fact that most of the problems are due to demands from Infogrames/Atari, it doesn't make me want any less from my $30.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

My two cents

Civilizations
Mayans
Incas
Sumerians
Hittites
Nubia
Khmer
Byzantines
Celts(I said Slavs before, but I changed my mind)

Resources
Cotton
Exotic Birds
Jade
Tobacco

Great Wonders
Eiffel Tower
Statue of Liberty
Statue of Zeus
Stonehenge

Small Wonders
Smithsonian (or equivilant)
Hollywood (or equivilant)

Governments (they say there are many, so I'll give a few)
Islamic Sultinate
Theocracy
Tribal (Elders and such)

Disasters
Volcanoes
Floods
Earthquakes
Droughts

Other Things
Clandestine Abilities
Global Abilities
Treaties

[Louis XXIV]

The Emperor Fabulous, you might want to change it back

Celts are already in the game

[Azeem]

Originally posted by Master Zen
So far they haven't mentioned the magic word:

EVENTS

They mentioned disasters being in the XP. Maybe that might tie into "Events"?

[Captain THC]

New civs:

1) Incas
2) Mayans
3) Sumerians
4) Hittites
5) Poles
6) Portugese
7) Polynesians
8) Hebrews/Israel

[Master Zen]

as long as they have an event system similiar to Civ2... I'll be happy