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**SCG** · March 23, 2003, 20:07

looks nice

seems to work too

comments for future versions.
- it doesn't recognize AD years properly
- if you can get it to read the human player flag, you could give a toggle for viewing AI accumlated research, as some might consider that a minor cheat

**SlowThinker** · March 23, 2003, 20:27

Originally posted by SCG
- if you can get it to read the human player flag, you could give a toggle for viewing AI accumlated research, as some might consider that a minor cheat

What's that?

**SCG** · March 23, 2003, 20:41

when i load it, it defaults to the barbarian research instead of the human research, and I'm able to view each civ's accumulated research in succession, not just the human player. (i'm assuming you know what a toggle is as you have 3 programmed already

)

**Bloody Monk** · March 23, 2003, 21:07

SlowT,

I loaded a save and picked my 'color'. The proggy correctly reads the number of beakers accumulated. I noodled around a bit and guessed the "multiplier" to be 26...and the "total needed" filled in. (This can be determined the "hard way" by resetting science to zero,etc.) This is what I mean by a user friendly helper.

This is really sweet, ST!! Thanks for sharing this with us.

If I am interpreting SCG's comments correctly, the year is displayed but not whether it is ad/bc. That's minor. Giving the details of AI progress is not minor, though. Using this information has to be a cheat. Hopefully, people won't be tempted to peak; it would be better, I think, if this element were not in future versions, if that is possible.

Again I say, great piece of work!!

Monk

**SCG** · March 23, 2003, 21:29

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Giving the details of AI progress is not minor, though. Using this information has to be a cheat. Hopefully, people won't be tempted to peak; it would be better, I think, if this element were not in future versions, if that is possible.

hense my suggestion of IDing the human player (there has to be a flag in the save somewhere for which color is the human player

If I am interpreting SCG's comments correctly, the year is displayed but not whether it is ad/bc. That's minor.

not quite, see picture

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**Bloody Monk** · March 23, 2003, 21:46

SCG,

Your box/OS generates strange differences.

It looks fine from here. The year is correct, just no designation bc/ad.

Monk

**SlowThinker** · March 23, 2003, 22:06

Monk, Civ2 Planner is more user friendly...

Originally posted by Monk
If I am interpreting SCG's comments correctly, the year is displayed but not whether it is ad/bc.

There is a sign '-' for BC years.

Originally posted by SCG
when i load it, it defaults to the barbarian research instead of the human research, and I'm able to view each civ's accumulated research in succession, not just the human player.

Originally posted by Monk
AI progress is not minor, though. Using this information has to be a cheat.

I see I have to hide the initial show of barb beakers.
Also I thought I could force people to set the color before choosing the .sav file...But then I decided that it is not so hard to pick the right color... (Maybe later...)
You know, there is 1000 better ways how to cheat

.
But I agree that a player wouldn't have to choose the color if I would choose it automately by the human player flag. A good idea, SCG.

**SCG** · March 23, 2003, 22:25

in this case, i think its just a difference might be that the program is assuming an integer is a word, where my Pentium 4 is probably using a longword. 65535 would read as -1 using a 2-byte integer, and reversing the sign would show +1, as I assume it does on your computer. I'm not so sure that would explain the minor commodity list differences seen in a different thread though.

**Bloody Monk** · March 23, 2003, 22:42

SCG,

I guess I have a different view of minor. You get a different list of commodities. To me, that is major and problematic. This Civ Beakers problem seems like something else, though. Could there be a Control Panel setting that needs attention?? Seems like something is missing or corrupted. Good luck.

Monk

**SCG** · March 23, 2003, 22:56

just as a side note on using double-size numbers, here's a picture of my computer with the windows calculator and 2^106 (2 times itself 106 times). On my Pentium I, it goes to scientific notation at 2^44, or around 10^13. We'd have to check with ST to see if he's using an int, short int, etc for storing the year, but i suspect that is the only problem there.

As for the commodity lists, I might try reinstalling at some point to see if that makes a difference. I have over 20 GB of stuff (a lot probably Civ saved games

), and haven't done a lot of backing up for a while, so that probably won't be done this week.

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**Bloody Monk** · March 23, 2003, 23:41

SCG,

Well, Sir, that's a neat little dance but I can't see it as ST's problem. It is you, after all, that keeps getting snarky results. I am surprised you haven't done a remove/reinstall yet. Hardly seems fair to offer a review of someone else's work when you know you are looking thru shattered glasses.

I am no expert, but I bet there is a way to move all those saves, etc to another directory, temporarily, while you reinstall the game. I know you will be relived when it all gets straightened out. Good luck.

Monk

**SCG** · March 24, 2003, 00:02

its no problem to move the saves; I've already reinstalled the game (and the commodity lists became a little more consistant, but are still different - i attribute that to when i tried to move my ver 1.07 in the same directory at one point). I was refering to reinstalling the Operating System and all the other programs. there is some other stuff i need to weed through before doing that. I will eventually.

And I'm not saying the problem is the size in bytes of the integer being used, i'm saying that it is a possibility. If it is, other people may well have similar problems date problems. Since other players don't have problems with the year when my saves are loaded, I consider it the most likely with the given information - ST should be able prove/disprove that easily enough.

**SlowThinker** · March 24, 2003, 05:23

I am very sorry I didn't tell you immediately I noticed the same problem with AD years.
The problem will be corrected in the next version (coming somewhere this week).

In the Delphi6 notation i used
Integer –2147483648..2147483647 signed 32-bit
and should use
Smallint –32768..32767 signed 16-bit
I was stupid, I thought Integer works as signed 16-bit.

But I don't understand why Monk was OK with AD years. In fact I had the ADs working correctly with my early version too, but not now...Could you post a save, Monk?

**SCG** · March 24, 2003, 08:59

Originally posted by SlowThinker
But I don't understand why Monk was OK with AD years. In fact I had the ADs working correctly with my early version too, but not now...Could you post a save, Monk?

use his early landing game 1 save - it reads the year correctly. Incedentally, i took a game created on my pentium I and it read the date correctly (running on the pentium 4) Also, i took a game created on my Pentium 4 and read it from my Pentium I computer, and it read the date correctly.

I would guess Bloody Monk's computer has an older processor, and using the smaller int and short int definitions.

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