WW2-1979 Graphics Showcase

[curtsibling]

Are there going to be Soviets and Japanese, I wonder?

*sound of huge hint being dropped*

[Leonidas]

Fairline and Kobra

Superb work

We are having quite an array of great-looking DAK units.

Here is the one I am currently using:



Cheers!

[curtsibling]

WW2 unit creation has never had it so good!

[Cifer Almasy]

Give us your photo!!!

[curtsibling]

LOL!

The face of evil remains incognito for now.

Until we see how the mods react to that thread!

[Cifer Almasy]

I just read that such threads have been closed in the past?
Didnt know that it could be forbidden...
WHY?
SL members arent that ugly, I think

[curtsibling]

It's just that the photos have little to do with CIV2 mod-making, I guess.

We could easily take part in such threads in the off-topic area...

[Exile]

Um . . . . . .

Yeah. Right.

No, Curt. Let's PLEASE not go to the OT area.

Therein lie monsters.

If the powers-that-be insist on deleting a photo thread for the very FEW of us here in the SLeague, then might I suggest that one of you website/programming genii (plural of genius ) go find some blank webspace somewhere and then just set up a link to it. Personally, I like knowing something about the people I'm communicating with. More than just text on a monitor. I'm also not shy about revealing stuff about myself.

I've got a HUGE ego.

Cool idea, Case.

[Hans99]

Superb Units

Hi Guys

Fairline is the best Unitcreator since now

I wonder what the original CIV II would be, if he had been in the Microprose Design Team. Just try to imagine the "classic" WW2 Scenario!!!

CIV II would have been a optical Masterpiece

( I Still think the old CIV II Units looked cheap. Gameplay was good but the units looked as if the Microprose Team had no "real good" Designer ).

[Exile]

Some suggestions . . . . .

Leonidas;

I spotted your units gif for an upcoming Afrika Korps campaign. Some general comments below, but here are some specific comments about units; The Afrika Korps uniform, as fairline has mentioned, was much lighter in shade AND so were all the DAK vehicles. Their paint scheme was much lighter than even the British desert paint schemes. Photos I've seen of Luftwaffe fighter and bomber units also were painted light colors and had a camo scheme as well. Your artillery units need to be completely reconsidered. Take a look at the German 150 or 105 mm howitzers--those should be the models you use. The British used the 25 pounder gun/howitzer and the 5.5 inch gun/howitzer. The American army in North Africa used primarily the tried-and-true 105 mm howitzer (we made a LOT of these, lol.) While there were 2 or 3 divisions of Australians (2nd and 7th, IIRC), there were more Indian infantry divisions in the desert than any other commonwealth troops. There were also at least 2 South African infantry divisions and two South African armored/mechanized reconaissance units. By FAR the bulk of transport, for both commonwealth and axis forces was the truck/lorry, and both sides used a rather motley collection of vehicles from both sides--lots of captured equipment. After the breakout battle by Rommel at El Ageila, ALL units, Italian included, were motorized/mechanized. The idea that foot infantry could operate successfully in the desert was abandoned after Graziani's utter rout in '40 south of Mersa Matruh; 150,000 foot troops were rounded up by a relatively paltry force of Brits; elements of the 7 Armored and 4th Indian divisions--probably less than 15,000 men and 300 total vehicles, not counting the trucks/lorries. (Historical note; rather surprisingly, this 10-1 ratio is almost exactly what Fuller had suggested during the interwar period when asked to comment on the effectiveness of mobile to foot troops.)

Now for some general comments; The Western desert campaign is actually a very good use of what the Civ2 program has to offer. While the mobile battles in Cyrenaica and Egypt were exemplary from a tactical point of view, the campaign was conditioned, if not governed, by what was happening in the Mediterranean Sea. The importance of Malta, the concentration of Luftwaffe resources in southern Italy and Sicily, and the sea battles fought between the Italian and British naval units had tremendous effect on who was winning in the desert. When the Royal Navy could fight a convoy through the Med, the commonwealth forces could go on the offensive. When the axis could suppress the RAF units on Malta, Rommel would have enough troops, equipment, and, most importantly, PETROL to go over to the offensive on his part. The campaign was fought on land, sea, and air--a great setup for a scenario designer.

I can suggest a few books; Panzer Battles by Von Mellenthin. Great stuff by a staff officer who was there and gives superb details on strategic information that only those overseeing the campaign could offer.

Ballantine Books' Africa Corps. Could be difficult to find nowadays, but I have a copy around here somewhere. Very nice maps of every important battle, and the writing is in a neat, summary form--you don't have to wade through a lot of extraneous material to get to the heart of it. A HUGE number of photos, though in black and white, sadly. Even so, the wealth of photos does provide a solid look at what kind of vehicles, artillery, aircraft, and uniforms were in use by the various participants.

This response is kind of late, but . . . better late than never.

[fairline]

Originally posted by curtsibling
Are there going to be Soviets and Japanese, I wonder?

*sound of huge hint being dropped*

I can take a hint . Japanese to follow

Hans: Thanks a lot. I always love unwarranted praise

[fairline]

Re: Some suggestions . . . . .

Originally posted by Exile

... While there were 2 or 3 divisions of Australians (2nd and 7th, IIRC), there were more Indian infantry divisions in the desert than any other commonwealth troops. There were also at least 2 South African infantry divisions and two South African armored/mechanized reconaissance units.

The N. Africa campaign really was a Commonwealth/Empire effort. As Exile says there were Aussies, Indians, S. Africans as well as the elite 2nd New Zealand Division and Scottish and English divisions. The Australians pulled out to defend Australia after Pearl Harbor, although to maintain the cosmopolitan flavour their place was taken by Polish and Free French units.

By FAR the bulk of transport, for both commonwealth and axis forces was the truck/lorry, and both sides used a rather motley collection of vehicles from both sides--lots of captured equipment. After the breakout battle by Rommel at El Ageila, ALL units, Italian included, were motorized/mechanized.

Not entirely true - the Italians suffered a chronic lack of motorised transport throughout the war in the desert, although a much larger proportion of their divisions were armoured/mechanised after the disaster during Operation Compass. After El Alamein, Rommel skidaddled with the DAK and some of the Italian Armour, leaving the hapless Italian infantry to their fate.

You are absolutely right about the crucial nature of motorised units in the desert, though and your analysis of the importance of the Mediterranean supply line is spot on.

BTW, just to be fair to the Aussies the 6th Australian Division replaced the 4th Indian Division for much of the Operation Compass campaign, the latter having been transferred to fight in Abbysinia, IIRC.

[atlas]

Fairline is God.

[jim panse]

Originally posted by atlas
Fairline is God.

I´d like to second that. Though my Christian faith hinders me in calling a man God I wish to express that fairline´s graphics are WAY MORE THAN OUTSTANDING. Simply put: AWESOME & GORGEOUS.

Keep up that work, Gareth!

[Palaiologos]

Hey desert geeks a Greek brigade also fought at El Alamein.

Courageous fellows-before being dilluted by communist insurgents that is.