The Horse, The Deity, The Dude and The Aztec

[Alexander's Horse]

Btw, a Horse empire spycam snapped this pic of Deity's spaceship taking off.

[Alexander's Horse]

And here it is exploding only 2 years from Alpha Centauri after Horse army forces took Deity's capital

So near and yet so far

[deity]

OK Horsie

If I lose I will state here and now that I will not make any excuse. Fair enough?

As finbar said, we all have our points of view and can discuss rules and in the end democracy prevails in times of disputes but that's not the playing of the game. The game has played out in accordnace with your expectations. It's exactly as you wanted in the save. I stayed in the game. I accepted the ruling - no excuses. I was stupid to leave my cities undefended like that, regardless of my assumptions about the rules.

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From this point on I'm only intersted in the general discussion about what are sensible rules for MP games but not related to this game.

For example, can you tell me why you don't like unit bribe and refuse to play games with unit bribe? What is your reasoning there?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by deity
OK Horsie

If I lose I will state here and now that I will not make any excuse. Fair enough?

As finbar said, we all have our points of view and can discuss rules and in the end democracy prevails in times of disputes but that's not the playing of the game. The game has played out in accordnace with your expectations. It's exactly as you wanted in the save. I stayed in the game. I accepted the ruling - no excuses. I was stupid to leave my cities undefended like that, regardless of my assumptions about the rules.

That's what I thought too - at last agreement.
But it isn't "exactly" as I wanted because you weren't completely emasculated by a civil war and that is a big problem for me now - oh well, next time we'll know better

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From this point on I'm only intersted in the general discussion about what are sensible rules for MP games but not related to this game.

For example, can you tell me why you don't like unit bribe and refuse to play games with unit bribe? What is your reasoning there?

Start another thread then please - I really don't think any of us are interested in discussing that here - its too divisive. This thread is for the game

Better to discuss all that elsewhere if you don't want people linking your hypothesising directly to the game play.

In fact, go and discuss it with those deadbeats you play diplo games with. They seem to love this sort of thing

[deity]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
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You'll say someone broke the rules, there was a conspiracy against you, whatever other excuse you can think of to distract readers from your loss. You've got form, you've done it before

When have I done it before?

I've been is disputes where others have argued about rules but some have simply quit the game when they thought they were being robbed. This is how I felt in this game but I've stayed with it.

The only MP game I probably would have lost is where Dang and Markus 'co-operated' to get me. But I kept playing that one until it dissolved.

So how have I got form? I haven't had to argue or make excsuses about a loss situation for myself

[deity]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
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Start another thread then please - I really don't think any of us are interested in discussing that here - its too divisive. This thread is for the game

Better to discuss all that elsewhere if you don't want people linking your hypothesising directly to the game play.

In fact, go and discuss it with those deadbeats you play diplo games with. They seem to love this sort of thing

LOL!

So, it's OK to continue to have silly fun here but not OK to discuss serious game issues that have arisen from the current game?

I'm really interested to know your thoughts on unit bribe, please? Post in another thread if you are really worried about linkage!

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Divisive? Civ is divis

[Alexander's Horse]

For the sake of peace I'll withdraw that remark if you like. It isn't worth arguing over

But I have already instituted as host what I thought was a perfectly workable dispute settlement mechanism in the form of majority rule but every individual player being able to vetoe the majority if it is that important to them. This is a process often used in real diplomacy. I thought that was the process we used on city ceding and some other things like ship chaining.

You can in my view, subject of course to the views of others in the game, still override the majority by exercising your vetoe on city ceding if it offends you that much. I still have the save and I'll back you on that.

If however the players make a decision on controversial issues I think the game will be much more enjoyable if we all respect that decision and not play to the gallery by posting dissenting views here.

I actually hate rules disputes and I think I'm not alone in this group on that.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by deity


So, it's OK to continue to have silly fun here but not OK to discuss serious game issues that have arisen from the current game?

I love to comment on the state of play, including the very very occasional bit of sledging and trolling as you may have noticed

I'm not the least interested in discusson of "serious game issues". I'd much much prefer to just vote or vetoe, without having to give any reasons, and move on.

So called "serious" game issues always seem to end up in point scoring and slanging matches, with feeling sometimes getting hurt. This is not what I play for.

I don't think there are any "serious" issues anyway. Its just a game we play for fun. I leave the "serious" issues at the office.

I'm really interested to know your thoughts on unit bribe, please? Post in another thread if you are really worried about linkage!

That's the point - I'm not interested in giving an opinion. I'd prefer to just vote and move on. And I think votes should be respected, people shouldn't have to give reasons and they should not be ridiculed for voting a certain way either. It shouldn't commented upon here.

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Divisive? Civ is divis

This is probably where we part company. I don't think it has to be divisive. I've played many many happy hours with makeo or finbar or Hydey without a dispute over game rules. We quickly find a way to agree and move on.

You like those diplo games where people will argue for 2 or 3 pages over one little border square. Its because they do that I don't play "diplo" games btw.

I have a busy job (believe or not). I deal with complex sometimes stressful issues all day. I don't want to repeat the dose when I play civ in the evening to relax.

[Makeo]

I thought posting on apolyton was your job. its stressful but not that bad.

[deity]

LMAO @ Makeo!

[deity]

OK Horsie, it's on with the show. No hard feelings.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Makeo
I thought posting on apolyton was your job. its stressful but not that bad.

Your taxes at work

Okay D, that's good

Now you can kick my arse in that game

[deity]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
But it isn't "exactly" as I wanted because you weren't completely emasculated by a civil war and that is a big problem for me now.............

You better believe it

[Alexander's Horse]

C'est le gare

[finbar]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
C'est le gare

"It's the railway station" ... ? And a masculine railway station instead of a feminine one?

Mmmm. Anyway, that reminds me of my very first trip to France. I rang the hotel from the station. I said - in French - that I was at the station. The chap on the other end of the phone confirmed that I was at the war.

Of course, in French, la gare, which means the railway station, is pronounced gair. La guerre, which means the war, is pronounced ger. It doesn't pay to confuse them. Particularly, obviously, if you get into a taxi and think you're asking to be taken to the railway station. Next stop some hot spot.