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  • You might as well see it.

    A long, long time ago,
    back in the end of 2002 and the start of 2003, when I've made Mamluks,
    I decided to make a new scenario, and expected it to be finished in 2003



    I have never finished it, and this may serve as one of the reasons:



    Time passed, I switched to ToT, which would be fine except for that while solving some problems, it introduced new ones.

    And then, with my new computer, the ToT stopped working, so my work over scenarios was terminated.

    In fact, all the work I've done is from 2003-5, I didn't make anything after that I guess.

    Lately, Riestu reminded me that I've never finished Heraclius, and, touched by it, I sent him what was already done. Now I got to the point I might as well show it to You as well.

    I copypaste my mail.

    There are two scenario sets. The reason for it was that Heraclius was supposed to be part of a trilogy named "The Barbarian", that is, there were supposed to be a muslim-playable (Muhammad) and persian-playable (Chosroes, in which Stefan Haertel was supposed to participate) versions. While Heraclius was very advanced and my main problems I think were with the later events, I never even started making Chosroes, and Muhammad was only begun.

    Heraclius version I send you is for ToT. As I can't run ToT, I can't check it.
    I have an older, FW version as well, but it's less developed I guess.
    Heraclius is not as innovative as I believe Komnenai was. But I liked playing it sometimes.

    I have Muhammad in the very basic FW version only. Unlike the other scns about islam, it covers the conquest of Arabia. Had I worked more over it, it'd have been more elaborated,
    but it's only basics now. Still, I sort of like the early part of it, the conquest of Arabia.
    You start with a wallless city (Yathrib), and you can't build a wall until Yathrib was fortified in reality. To protect your city against attacks, destroy the barbarian units between Yathrib and Mecca. Mecca was supposed to be unconquerable at the start, but I don't remember if I actually did something to assure it, like placing a strong unit and building a palace there.
    Still, please refrain from conquering it until You have all the rest of Arabia subdued.

    Hasan ibn Thabit unit is a spy. It is useful when a barbarian unit appears SE to the city - you can bribe it, and come back to the city.

    Arabic tribes are represented as units. If you kill one, they will "join" you, which means you get money and some military units at your headquaters.

    Sometimes it's pretty hard, especially since you don't know the right strategy, but it has a potential of being fun.

    I hope these few people that still play Civ2 will find it at least a bit amusing.
    I am very sad about the state of Civ2 community. While I do enjoy Civ4, I still play Civ2, and I believe nothing can be compared to the feeling of creativity that once surrounded the scenario production for Civ2.
    "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
    Middle East!

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    I've had problems with the attachement, it was too big, and I had to cut it in two.
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    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
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    • #3
      Strangely, it seems it's not the last version, because there was some artwork I knew I've made (for dlubanka slavic ship), which is not present. But it may be lost with my old computer, which is broken.
      "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
      I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
      Middle East!

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      • #4
        The Muhammad scenario looks fun. Good to start on such a big map with established Empires and only have one city. I recently started reading a book about the life of Muhammad so this scenario interests me. One question though. Why the purple sea? It actually looks quite good in a strange way

        The Heraclius scenario shares the same detailed map and there is a good balance between the nations that might make it suitable for PBEM. Do you mind if I make some changes (such as stackable terrain) to see if I can convert it to that format?

        In fact there are a few of your scenarios I would like to try to convert if that's OK by you. I have done some tinkering in the past anyway
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        • #5
          Do what you please.
          But you'd have to change events in the case of Heraclius, obviously, if it was to become a multiplayer.

          Thank You for your interest.
          "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
          I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
          Middle East!

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          • #6
            I'll check this out!

            http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.php?title=Home
            http://totalfear.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Thank You.
              "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
              Middle East!

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              • #8
                I remember waiting for this to come out. Kuddos man!
                AKA Tanelorn.
                Big, big smile.

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                • #9
                  Nice to this this Heresson
                  http://sleague.apolyton.net/index.ph...ory:Civ2_Units

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                  • #10
                    I started working on a graphics update today for the Muhammad scenario. I don't find the reduced size DBA (for those not farmiliar: http://www.dbaol.com/armies.htm) units clear enough so I have started replacing them with ones by Fairline. I am trying to match them up as closely as possible to the DBA examples. I am looking forward to embarking on the Muslim conquests once I have finished this little overhaul. Love the map and choice of units
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                    • #11
                      Again, Muhammad is only fun at the beginning. It becomed tedious later on to deal with giant numbers of units of the same kind. My idea was to use Leonardo Workshop to make them obsolete at the point Muslims reach some far-away city (when they reach Spain, or Africa, or whatever), thus forcing you to make use of the cities you've already conquered, and making the game harder and more interesting. Haven't done it, though.

                      There is an easy cheat in Muhammad... I wonder if you'll find out.
                      "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                      I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                      Middle East!

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                      • #12
                        uh uh I wanna some comments...
                        "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                        I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                        Middle East!

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                        • #13
                          Well, I've thought of doing a graphics update of Heraclius, don't know if I'll ever get around to it, though...
                          The Ghost of the Disco is ... your mastermind, your mastermind!
                          2013: A Union Divided|John III Sobieski|Red Storm

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                          • #14
                            Been working on Muhammad. Graphics update nearly completed. Some of the units are a bit tricky to find matches for even using the DBA examples for a guide. I love the map scale and the fact that you start with only one city. Its got quite a few things that need doing to complete it but having the events there already is a huge bonus. I look forward to playing it when the mod is complete!
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                            • #15
                              Well, I've worked some more on my graphics update for Heraclius - all the units are done (not sure if they're historically accurate, but it's hard to find units for, say, the Khazars and such). I know at least one thing I need to work on is the monastary graphic, but still...
                              The Ghost of the Disco is ... your mastermind, your mastermind!
                              2013: A Union Divided|John III Sobieski|Red Storm

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