World War II and Governments

[Exile]

Clarification . . .

The scen in question is going to be human-controlled German and AI controlled others.

So that stuff about fundy vs. comm making the AI more agressive is pertinent.

Won't do me any good to create a war machine that the AI won't use. Sounds as if I should make all the AIs fundy, and the Germans Monarchy . . . . then lower the tech paradigm. At least they'll fight.

[McMonkey]

Found this interesting info from the Read Me of Case's multiplayer game Appeasement and Aggression. Thought it may be of interest:

"Governments: I’ve tried to get out of the tired civ routine where the Fascist states are represented
by Fundamentalism, which is probably the most efficient form of government in Civ. As anyone who’s studied Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy can tell you, these states suffered from appalling levels of inefficiency and corruption. Similarly, I’ve tried to break the mould where the Democracies are represented by inefficient wartime governments such as Democracy. Civilians didn’t protest about bombers in WW2, and the productive capacity of the democracies was truly astounding. Fundamentalism much better represents the democracies of WW2 then it does the totalitarian states.

The following forms of government are used in this scenario:

Communism: Soviet Communism (USSR only)

Democracy: Liberal Democracy

Despotism: Neutrality (to stop the Neutral Civs from developing)Fundamentalism: War Democracy (Can be developed by France and Britain)

Monarchy: Dictatorship

Republic: Fascism (Italy and Germany)France and Britain can develop War Democracy by researching the appropriate techs.

All the other countries in this scenario are assumed to remain as dictatorships.German Budget Problems: As was the case historically, the

Nazi’s budgetary policy is unsustainable in the long-run. For the Germans to survive financially, they must expand or menace their neighbours into paying tribute."

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by AGRICOLA
Yes, I know. :tongue

but you always win anyway

[Willhelm II]

For a WWII scenario that wants to also emphasize on domestic issues for the player as well as military issues, the choice of Government should be Communism. It is by far the most customizable government out of the modern governments (riot factor, science rate and military support). Plus it allows for three military units to maintain order (very accurate for a WWII scenario).

For example, let's say we named Communism to Totalitarianism WWII scenario, with the happiness improvements being more or less exclusive to Totalitarianism:

Temples - Propaganda Department
Cathedral - Secret Police
Coliseum - Concentration Camp

The idea of the happiness improvements would be to decrease opposition to the state, and so a number of wonders that affect happiness or improvements related to it could be given to either Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, granting them different strengths and weaknesses on the domestic front.

For example:

The Oracle - Goebbels' Ministry (increases the effectiveness of Propaganda Departments)

Michelangelo’s Chapel - NKVD Department (counts as a Secret Police in every one of your cities).

For me personally, I think Communism allows for a far depth and domestic consideration for the player than mere fundamentalism, which I believe should be reserved for the AI on account of it's aggressive nature. Communism allows the scenario designer to take happiness in to consideration for a country like Germany or Russia, which is far more accurate for a WWII scenario (meaning for example that Germany is going to have to build concentration camps, secret police and propaganda departments if it intends to keep a grip on Europe).