Too Many Units!!

[Pap1723]

I wonder if part of the problem is what types of scenarios people like.

If you make single player scenarios like CurtSibling does, he is probably more geared towards enjoying a single player experience.

Part of the reason I never really got into the new Civilization games is that I don't like the multiplayer community. Not the people, but most of the games are vanilla civ. I have always been geared towards almost exclusively WWII or Modern Day scenarios.

It is an interesting topic though...

[Eurisko]

Another factor may be the MGE-TOT rift between the designer community and the PBEM community...

[techumseh]

Is it possible to play a Test of Time scenario as an on-line multiplayer game? (ie. NOT as a PBEM)

[curtsibling]

I would like to try that out...!

[Patine]

@Eurisko: Yes there's Eivind and I, but please don't forget Academia, who designed Iron Curtain, Falkland, and NWO.

[Eurisko]

Originally posted by Patine
@Eurisko: Yes there's Eivind and I, but please don't forget Academia, who designed Iron Curtain, Falkland, and NWO.

Ah yes, academia as well, of course.

And Saladin also made a scenario.

But still, the number of scenario designers who do not seem to have any interest in playing PBEMs is much bigger.

[academia]

Originally posted by Eurisko


Ah yes, academia as well, of course.

And Saladin also made a scenario.

But still, the number of scenario designers who do not seem to have any interest in playing PBEMs is much bigger.

yep, i agree with denis here.
i have designed 7 scenarios so far, and all of them are focused to the PBEM world. why? because i enjoy playing those scenarios with other people, and not just in SP mode.
that´s all.

[Eurisko]

Quite honestly, I don't see how single player games are entertaining.

They lack diplomacy and challenge.

[academia]

Originally posted by Eurisko
Quite honestly, I don't see how single player games are entertaining.

They lack diplomacy and challenge.

i think that the creators always come up with new ways of improving the AI. As a result, beating the AI in SP games has become harder and harder... i always test new scenarios in SP mode and i noticed that.
some people may prefer that to playing pbems, which tend to be slow and you never know if someone will dissapear or cheat, ruining the game.

in any case, i still prefer PBEMs.

[Eurisko]

Oh well, sure, you can give the AI a guiding hand and thus make it seem "smarter", but in the end it's just the same concept of it peppering you with a random mix of units.

Real humans are much more versatile, and in the many PBEMs played so far we have discovered many interesting exploits and tricks, something that is utterly impossible to do for the AI.

And as I said, there is no real diplomacy.

[battosai]

Whenever I tried to play a SP scenario in the last couple of years I gave it up after not more than two hands full of turns cause forgetting the anti-ai-surprise-attack-trick and just got rid of a merchant vessel or something by a stupid AI i stood in peace with. It's not the real Vanilla AI that makes me so mad but the "improvements" in MGE that makes it so irrational aggressive .. as well in ToT, too.

And what I am wondering about is why the PBEM people alle have MGE but no ToT. I've got a ToT original bought in the supermarket before I was aware of MGE, which I needed to buy online. :?

[Eivind IV]

I agree with almost all beeing said here. I never play single player, the AI's just too idiotic. I've created about 11 scenarios, and only 2 of them were designed for SP. Only the challenge of a rational thinking human is worth spending time on. And as Denis points out, diplomacy makes it so much more fun.

I wish some more SL-ers would join us for PBEMs...

http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdisp...s=&forumid=301

[kobayashi]

What's this nonsense about SP games not being entertaining? If a scenario is made with PBEM in mind, I suppose the AI can be quite stupid sometimes.

BUT, if the scenario is made properly with SP in mind and the proper events are used, I don't see how much of anything said here applies.

[techumseh]

I tried playing PBEM games when they were all the rage about 3 years ago. Most petered out amid long delays waiting for players to move, finding repacements and accusations of cheating. Looking at your forum, it seems like nothing has changed.

[curtsibling]

Everybody enjoys CIV2 in their own way...The variety is the spice of CIV-life.

I like single player games, because I am a megalomaniac who likes to command my own armies/nations/worlds.

For one, I have no issues with MGE - I consider MGE scenarios like Exile's Crusades or Imperialism to be among my
all-time favourites. Neither do I have any problem with MP games, they are fun! It's just I am too busy making
scenarios or drawing to take time out to join in...I hardly get the spare time to play my own scenarios...!

I agree the CIV2 AI is dumb, but it can be made challenging with some help from a scenario designer.
See scenarios made by people like kobayashi, Exile and techumseh if you want a challenge from the AI.

All in all, we all have our tastes, and I see no rifts or rivalries...