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    Well, i´d like to start a pbem of the version 1.1 of this scenario.
    This time, i have to specially thanx Eurisko and Eivind for their ideas and suggestions in the previous discussion topic

    GENERAL INFORMATION

    In a few words, the main change from previous version is the replacement of the Arab civ for a Pro-east civ.
    That new civ will work as the rogues or western allies in the NWO scenario.
    This civ will receive (via events) all the left-wing guerrillas in order to recreate proxy-wars in the third world.
    On the other hand, i decided not to create a Pro-west civ... why not? because i´m interested in a mixture...
    A minor communist civ (supported by the big guys) versus the most powerful western civ (USA).

    Lets see how that works...


    Another important issue is the inclusion of India as the 7th civ. They are in the middle of this mess... hehe. They could change tha balance of power... use that civ wisely.


    I also added more generic units, created a more complex tech tree and increased buildings and units costs.


    The scenario now plays from 1964 to 1975.


    The scenario starts with three ongoing conflicts:
    1) Vietnam war: USA vs. Pro-east
    2) Second Indo-pakistani war: India vs. SEATO
    3) Congo: USA vs. Pro-east


    WORLD 1964


    HOUSE RULES

    1. No tech trading.
    2. No reloading.
    3. No terraforming.
    4. No rehoming of trade units.
    5. No 'square stealing' from the AI.
    6. No air protected land/sea stacks.
    7. No "freezing" of airplanes.
    8. No ship chains.
    9. No building of new cities. Only re-creating razed ones alowed.
    10. No airbases in adjecent to each other or a city.
    11. No artificial creating of ZOC with units.
    12. No bribing of units/cities.
    13. No Long Range Bombers (like B-52 or Tu-95) nor ICBMs on carriers
    14. Only SSBN submarines can carry only MRBMs (just one per sub)
    15. Every civ may sneak attack, but only with conventional weapons. Nuclear weapons may first be used on the second war turn.


    LIMITED WARS

    The idea is to fight "minor wars" in third world countries.
    Players must establish the zone war and victory conditions. I strongly suggest to post a map with the demarked limits.
    YOU SHOULD ONLY USE CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS!!

    Example:
    1) War in Congo
    2) Participants: Pro-east/USSR vs. USA
    3) Cities involved: Leopodville and Stanleyville
    4) Victory conditions: Hold both cities for 3 consecutive turns / total surrender of one side
    5) Established zone of war:

    6) Special rules: can attack anything inside the war zone; can carry air attacks from carriers/airbases outside the war zone; etc.


    VICTORY POINTS
    I´m going to copy Eivind´s system here. I consider that its a great way to avoid ww3 in cold war scenarios.
    However, i´m going to change it a little bit... in this victory points system, i wanna encourage limited wars all over the world.

    so, take a look at my system...

    The civ with most victory points upon ended game wins. All the civs compete with each other. Score is to be kept in full honesty between the players during the game, with updates on the respective players' point situation after each played turn. Everyone start at zero points.


    1) +1 point for every trade route established
    2) +5 points for every civil tech discovered.
    3) +3 points for every military tech discovered.
    4) +10 points for every wonder of the world built.

    5) -10 points for every nuke used
    6) +5 points for every city won through limited wars.
    7) -5 points for every city lost through limited wars.
    8) +10 points for winning a limited war.
    9) -10 points for losing a limited war.


    DOWNLOAD THE SCENARIO HERE!!
    Last edited by academia; December 24, 2006, 18:25.
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  • #2
    And now, it´s time to choose your civ!!!

    USSR - rodrigo_pons
    USA - Academia
    NATO - Eurisko
    China - AiC
    India - Eivind
    SEATO - Voltar
    Pro-east - Patine
    Neutrals - AI
    Last edited by academia; January 8, 2007, 18:18.
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    • #3
      If you wanna make some comments, suggest changes to the rules/point system or give more ideas, do it now!!!

      i hope you guys enjoy this game
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      • #4
        I'll take the USSR.

        About the rules:

        I think that one shouldn't lose points for losing limited wars. That would discourage people from engaging in them.

        And about the scenario: It looks good so far, but I think the air units need more defense. It just looks impossible right now to defend with air units. They should have at least double the defense or maybe the AEGIS flag.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Eurisko
          I'll take the USSR.

          About the rules:

          I think that one shouldn't lose points for losing limited wars. That would discourage people from engaging in them.
          are you sure? losing points wont encourage you to keep on fighthing?


          And about the scenario: It looks good so far, but I think the air units need more defense. It just looks impossible right now to defend with air units. They should have at least double the defense or maybe the AEGIS flag.
          i prefer to increase the defense value.
          if someone else complaints about this issue, i´ll change it
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          • #6
            Originally posted by academia

            are you sure? losing points wont encourage you to keep on fighthing?



            i prefer to increase the defense value.
            if someone else complaints about this issue, i´ll change it
            Oh well, that's another perspective. I don't quite know, both statements are true...

            Also I changed my mind, the USSR might be a bit too big for me, give me the NATO instead.

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            • #7
              I'd like one of the USSR, China, or India. If anyone wants any of those, they can go ahead and claim them and I'll gladly take what's left over.

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              • #8
                Btw I also just noticed that the NATO can't build any of the IFVs, you might want to make the M113 buildable for them.

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                • #9
                  Also, Pakistan seems far too weak to have even the slightest chance in the India-Pakistan war.

                  I'd say give their cities better defensive terrain and all defensive structures, as well as more defensive units.

                  I pretty much managed to completely destroy the Pakistani army in turn 1 already.

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                  • #10
                    great denis.
                    thanx for the feedback. i´ll fix those issues
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                    • #11
                      China for me pls
                      Last edited by AiC; December 18, 2006, 12:00.

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                      • #12
                        By the way, I think the Soviet player should also play the pro-easterners.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eurisko
                          By the way, I think the Soviet player should also play the pro-easterners.
                          nope. i want two separate civs.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by AiC
                            China for me pls
                            welcome aboard
                            china for you then
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Eurisko
                              By the way, I think the Soviet player should also play the pro-easterners.

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