The Korean War Development Thread

[Patine]

Hello, all!

On Curt's advice, I'm starting a formal Korean War development thread for my latest scen. Development thus far on this topic can be found here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153004&pagenumber=1

First off, I got your e-mail Curt. Many thanks for your help! I've got at least a list and stats for all my units and am currently working on improvements and Wonders. I'm toying with a number of ideas; if anyone has any, please let me know. Despite ideas of finishing EotRS v1.2, fear not, this one is being worked on. I've got some great graphics and super ideas, and hope to get a real winner made here!

[curtsibling]

Good show - I'll get a news item for this (and a few other threads) soon!

[curtsibling]

A news item has been added for this thread!

http://apolyton.net/civgroups/news.php?s=&civgroupid=55

[Case]

As a question, how are you modeling US air and naval bases in Japan? These bases were critical during the first phase of the war, with Japanese based aircraft striking at the North Koreans and Japanese ports providing essential logistics and maintainence facilities.

[Patine]

A good point to bring up. I'd thought of giving those Japanese cities on the map directly to the UN, but I don't want the UN's only buildable unit (South Korean Infantry) built there. Any suggestions?

[Patine]

Something I had considered was making the Japanese a seperate civ allied to the UN. Then I'd put a 'Japanese Occupational Force' unit or two belonging to the UN in each Japanese city, as well as some naval units. The Japanese would then be set building Capitalization (and couldn't build units in any case). The Japanese Occupational Force units would be immobile and non-disbandable, but the naval units could leave the ports (problem is, they couldn't return). UN airbases placed next to Japanese cities would house UN a/c and be a spawning point for reinforcements beginning in Japan. This is the current idea.

[curtsibling]

My humble opinion...

It would be easier to make the UN or Allied civ be based in
Japan, with forces ready to make way to Korea...

That way, the player can make operational choices and
perhaps change history as he sees fit.

[jim panse]

Or you could in fact have a Jap civ with cities next to UN bases named for instance "Kyoto Port" or "Osaka AFB" ...

[techumseh]

My advice (if you want it, ) is to keep things as simple as possible. Japan played no role in the Korean War, other than as a US base. It had no armed forces at this time.

The best way to manage this is to plan the map. It should cover just the Korean penninsula and a bit of northern China, plus one US city as a base in Japan, and Vladivostok as the single Russian city.

That gives just 5 civs: N & S Korea, China, the USSR and the US/UN. China enters if the US/UN attacks too close to their border, the USSR intervenes if Chinese territory is attacked.

[Patine]

That's probably sound advice, tech. I think, though, I'll keep the US/UN and South Korea as one player as well. That better suits my plans. Thus, four players: the UN, North Korea, China, and the USSR. I don't see how more would be ultimately needed. Or do you see a merit in a seperate RoK?

[techumseh]

No, that would work too. It would allow you to direct both forces, which is realistic once the US was there in force. It also solves the issue of buildable units. Only RoK infantry should be buildable. Everything else came from off-map and should therefore be provided by events.

[Patine]

My thoughts exactly.

[Patine]

Update: Improvements

I've been working on city improvements of late, and have the following ideas:
Barracks: MASH Unit (UN only)
Granary: Food Stockpiles
Temple: Security/Garrison
Marketplace: Just that
Library: Undecided
Courthouse: Local Police
City Walls: City Fortifications
Bank: Financial Aid
University: Undecided
Cathedral: Buddhist Temple (UN only)
Mass Transit: Not present
Colesseum: Gulag/Yoduk (Communist players only)
Factory: Training Camp
Manufacturing Plant: Not present
Recycling Center: Not present
SDI Defense: Not present
Power Plant: Conscription Office
Hydro Plant: Not present
Nuclear Plant: Penal Barracks (Communist players only; meltdown is 'prison break')
Stock Exchange: Not present
Supermarket: Undecided
Superhighways: Not present
Research Lab: Not present
SAM Missile Battery: Radar Station
Coastal Fortress: Just that
Harbor: Just that
Solar Plant: Not present
Offshore Platform: Not present
Airport: Just that
Police Station: Not present
Port Facility: Just that
If anyone has any suggestions for changes or other comments, I'd like to hear them. Next, I'm going to tackle the idea of WoW.

[H Tower]

for the japanese city problem, if you're not running out of terrain tiles, you could always use, say tundra (renamed and with a new graphic) to produce only minimal food and no shields. make it look like grassland, but call it "Japan." With the one or two shields that the Japanese cities do end up producing, have them used as upkeep for your Japanese Defense force units.

[Patine]

That may be a decent idea, save I am strapped for terrain tiles. I think maybe barbarian Japanese Occupational Forces blocking up the cities unit production (and a hex-edited alliance with the barbs) may work just as well, except that I couldn't use those cities directly as bases. I don't know what else to do.