Empires at War: Medieval

[tanelorn]

Since my summer leave practically starts today, I figure I'd better do something creative about it. This is a preview the eurasian gigamap I'm currently working on. The projected scenario runs from 1071 to 1492. The civs are the:

Mongols (protagonists)
Chinese
Europeans (united for the crusades)
Byzantines
Russians
Arabs
Turks

I also have a provisional unit list and .bmp ready, however since this is for TOT, top notch graphics are hard to come by. I'm actually counting on Gareth letting me use his latest Sino-Mongol masterpieces. Eitherway, there is a lot of work ahead.
Any ideas/suggestions are wellcome.

[Arthedain]

This whole project sounds really interesting, and the map looks awesome!

[Palaiologos]

Excellent. I am a recent ToT convert myself.

[fairline]

Re: Empires at War: Medieval

Originally posted by tanelorn
...I'm actually counting on Gareth letting me use his latest Sino-Mongol .....

Of course Tim. I can mail you all of the Mongols graphics if you like - people, terrain and units.

Great to see a Tanelorn scenario in the offing

[BillyBud]

I am a big Medieval Total War fan, so I'm looking forward to this scenario.

[curtsibling]

Great news!

If you need some cities, just gimme a list!

[tanelorn]

Thank you all
Gareth I am PMing you my e-mail, promptly.

The unit list goes thus:

=Europeans=

buildable
Spearmen -Infantry
Crusader Foot -shock infantry
Norman Knights -Heavy Cavalry
Crossbowmen -siege archers, marines (Italians mostly)
Feudal Knights -shock cavalry
Pikemen (condottieri pike etc)
(Full Plate)Heavy Knights -super heavy cavalry
Men at Arms -siege/shock infantry (& italian pietone,walachian voynuks etc.)
Elite Pikemen -(Swiss, Landsnechts, Tercios)
Handgunners
Cardinal
Cog
Carrack
Galley
War Galley

event created
Longbowmen -archers with extra firepower (spawned in England)
Hospitaliers -elite shock cavalry -(spawned sequentially in Jerusalem, Acre, Nicosia, Rhodes, Malta, Spain)
Teutonic Knights -elite shock cavalry
Ginettes -(spawned in Spain for Berber Horsemen killed)
Horse Archer- (spawned common unit- Hungarians,Lithuanians,Polish, Turcopoles in the Outremer)
Lancers light cavalry(common unit spawned Lithuanian or Balkan stradiots for Venice)
Murtartoi (spawned to represent Cretan Archers in Venetian service)
Catalan Almughavars- fast anti-cavalry infantry (spawned for Andalusians Killed)

=Byzantines=

Kontaratoi -infantry
Scutatoi -shock infantry (if they hold Nicaea)
Trapezuntines/Murtartoi -archers (if they hold Trebizond)
Varangoi -elite shock infantry (unless they loose Costantinople, even once)
Pronoia Cavalry (stratiotes/archontes) -medium cavalry
Cataphractoi -super heavy shock/archer cavalry (if they hold Dorylaeum, give/take/give event)
Arch-Bishop (to bribe- convert better mercenary units)
Dromond
Cog & Galley, Common Crossbowmen, Men at arms & Hadgunners only if traded from the Europeans
events
Common Horse Archer (Skythicon)
Common Lancer (Alans,Armenians, Balkan vassals)

=Turks=

Muslim infantry (for Azabs and Yayas)
Turkoman horse archers
Askaris -Seljuk medium cavalry
Gazi elite horse archers (stands for later Akicis too)
Sipahis -special heavy cavalry
Janissary archers -excellent infantry archer/siege troops buildable after they capture Gallipoli and awarded for city captures)
Janissary Handgunners
Ottoman heavy infantry -shock/siege troops (incl. armoured Janissaries)
Ulama diplomat tradeable from the Arabs

event created
Lancers (spawned Vlach/Albanian vassals)
Men at Arms (spawned Wallachian Voynuk vassals)
Heavy Knights (spawned Serb vlastella Vassals)
Dhow
Galley
War Galley

=Arabs=

Buildable
Muslim infantry
Gazi Foot for Syrians
Turkoman horse archers
Gullams heavy cavalry
Saracen Faris desert crossing medium cavalry (Arabs/Kurds)
Desert Nomads -Bedouin/ Berber desert crossing light cavalry
Mamluks elite heavy cavalry tradeable from the Russians (slave troops)
Mamluk elite horse archers (?)
Mamluk African Handgunners
Events
African Slave Troops (captured barbarians/ buildable if they hold the Sudan/spawned Murabitun)
Andalusian Crossbowmen spawned in Grenada
Ulama
Dhow
Nef
Galley

=Russians=

Voi -peasant militia (also for captured slav tribal warriors)
Druzhina- infantry/ urban militia
Varjazi- heavy shock infantry, Russian Varangoi
Boyars- heavy cavalry with bows
Events
Horse Archers -captured barbarians
Common Crossbowmen & Handgunners tradeable from the Europeans
Some Mongol units buildable after traded from the Mongols, late in the game (?)
Archbishop tradeable from the Byzantines
Possibly their version of the Longship

=Mongols=

Mongol Heavy cavalry -exceptional fast heavy cavalry can cross desert
Mongol Horse Archer -exceptional fast horse archers, also event created by killing other light horse units and any Chinese units (Genghhis' terror campaigns) can cross desert
Auxiliary Infantry (& Koreans)
Siege Archers
Junk
War Junk
Mongol Spy

=Chinese=

Chinese Cavalry -medium cavalry
Chinese Infantry -arrowfodder
Chinese Crossbows -good all round infantry
Chinese Fire Lancers -anti-cavalry infantry
Chinese Emissary
Junk
War Junk

Barbarians
Indian (& Indochina) Infantry & Elephants
Siege weapons common to all, gunpowder must be traded/stolen from the Chinese
Settler & Merchant units, Arab & Mongol can cross desert
Desert and Mountains are impassable to cavalry

Elite units and Fanatical troops won't be bribable
Some won't be disbandable
So what do you say?

[Stefan Härtel]

Who are you going to put in Persia and Africa?

[Palaiologos]

Are there enough slots for all of these units?

[tanelorn]

Sure! ToT has room for 80 units, and the abovementioned units take just 69-70 slots. I have 10 to 11 slots for siege machines, merchants and anything that comes up. Ain't ToT a beauty?

I am currently working on the stats, so I'm thinking of merging the generic horse archer with the Turkoman horse archer, the Russian with the Byzantine Varangoi & the Askaris with the Gullams, to free 3 more slots.

Persia is under Seljuk Turkish/ Kwarizimian rule at this time. Freelance Iranian cavalry will be represented by barbarian Gullams
N.Africa is Arabic, however I'll make the western Moors barbs, to show their lack of unity.
African nomads will be represented by spawned barb Desert Nomads (Berbers & Saharans)
African slave troops will be spawned as barb African tribes
Black sub-Saharan empires (Muslim & Coptic Christian) will be represented by barb cities.
-edit-
I must include a Samurai unit too. Minus 1 slot.

[Palaiologos]

What about western or turkish mercenaries?

[tanelorn]

If they kill generic barb horse archers or Turcomans, a generic horse archer unit gets spawned in the capital, minus a sum. If they loose a horse archer unit to the Arabs or Turks, it gets spawned in their capitals (they switch sides) and again the Byzantine side looses a sum. The Byzantines will need a lot of money to keep things running.
Lancers (representing Caucasian/Balkan/East European light cavalry in general) African slave troops for Arabs & Turkopoles for the Crusaders will work much the same way but they wont change sides or charge too much.
To procure other kinds of mercenaries, the player will have to bribe them.
Some prerequisite techs won't be researchable by one side until it gets to trade for them.
For instance, the Arabs won't be able to upgrade from Gullams to Mamluks until they trade with the Russians for slave troops.

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Who are you going to put in Persia ?

now what a surprise, Stefan asking that!

Sounds really interesting, Tanelorn!

[Stefan Härtel]

Originally posted by Cyrion
now what a surprise, Stefan asking that!

Ah, after all these years they still know me.

*sniff*

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel

Ah, after all these years they still know me.

Of course! Did you think you could just disappear and go Running free (BUMP BTW! ) ?