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    Yes, I'm trying to get back on the Civ2 scenario making horse for the umpteenth time. I've gotten pretty far though, this time. Anyway, this was inspired by Uncle Dead Bird's mythical scenario, which is in progress. While he was discussing it, I realized that the ancient Greeks left behind a substantial body of well-known lore to us, more than just about any other civilization. So I'm trying my hand at a purely Greek mythological scenario, set around 1500-1250 BC. It'll be FW. There are seven civs, each of which is under the special protection of one of the seven Gods I've chosen to represent, and each civ has a unique unit:

    The Athenians, under Athena, naturally, excel in defensive warfare. They control the area around Athens and the island of Euboia. Their unique units are Gorgons, a "bomber"-type unit.
    The Boiotians (working name), centered around Delphi, are followers of Apollo, who gives improved scientific abilities and archers. Their unit is the Sphinx, a defensive powerhouse.
    The Pylians, who command the southern half of Peloponnessus, are the servants of Poseidon, who gives them an advantage in naval technology and cavalry. They can build Sirens, a "submarine" unit.
    The Argives control an irregular chunk of land around Argos, smack in the middle of the map. They are devoted followers of Hermes, and as such have advantages in commerce, exploration, and diplomacy. Their Griffins are like tough helicopters.
    The Arcadians govern the rest of Peloponnessus (along with isolated territory in the isthmus), and worship Demeter. Naturally, they excel at agriculture and controlling pollution. They get Erinyes (furies), which act as missiles.
    The Cycladians start out on the Archipelago. Their patron is Dionysus, who gives happiness improvements and various other odds and ends (I'm not sure what else he should give them). They build Satyrs, extremely nimble and moderately powerful infantry.
    Finally, the Thessalians in the north of the map are worshippers of Hephaestus, the forge god. They excel at industry. Their unique units are Cyclopes, extremely powerful but expensive ground units useful for smashing cities.

    Archaeological records from the early Bronze Age seem to be scant, so I just divided up Greece south of Mt. Olympus based mostly on where my Dictionary of Classical Religion said the respective gods were primarily worshipped. I had to take some liberties, naturally. The tech tree is based on secrets granted by the Gods rather than research, and is divided up among the seven Gods represented. Each of the civs begins with a significant head start in its own branch, but everything other than the unique units can be researched by anyone eventually. Most of the mythological monsters can only be gained by bribing them from periodic barbarian uprisings; the tech tree only lets players build the basics, though progress up it naturally improves the power of the barbarian monsters.

    The map is pretty much made, I just have to fill in the terrain that isn't hills or mountains. That's one of the things I need help with; any Greeks here want to tell me what kind of terrain their peninsula ought to feature instead of glaciers, jungles, tundra, and deserts? What resources? I've got copper in the hills and boar in the woods. Presumptively marble would go in the mountains in place of iron...what else? Also, trade goods, and city names for AI-built cities (I don't want to use real cities, it would annoy me to have the Argives build "Corinth" just south of Athens). I'm aiming for as immersive of a classical experience as possible. I know there are plenty of enthusiastic Greeks on this site...help me out.

    I could also use a few images (manticore, chimaera, gigantes, harpy), but I'll leave off actual requests until I've made more progress.
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  • #2
    More mythical scenarios!

    Is this one for ToT? If so, I can help you with cities...

    In any case.......Keep the ball rolling, dude!
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    • #3
      No, all I have is Fantastic Worlds, sorry. I'm trying to fit in upgrades incrementally around the papers I have due.
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      • #4
        Keep us updated of the progress...!

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        • #5
          Sounds good


          I really like this aspect of mythology (and btw, just finished Age of Mythology's campaign...), so I'm looking foward to this.
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          • #6
            This sounds wondrous! I'm off to download Age of Mythology to get into the spirit of things.

            By the way, if you need any help with the mythology then just ask.
            (I remember advising someone here on what a gryphon was supposed to look like. )

            [edit]Damn! Age of Mythology isn't a scenario. [/edit]
            Last edited by duke o' york; October 10, 2005, 17:43.

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            • #7
              I need very little help with mythology; I need to know more about the non-mythological aspects of Greece. Especially terrain; aside from the hills and mountains indicated by any topographical map, I can't find anything on the climate of specific parts. I know some spots in the general area of Argos are swampy due to the stories about the Lernaean hydra, et cetera, but not the kind of detail I need. That's sort of stalling me, I don't know how to finish the map. I guess I should PM Varwnos or something?
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              • #8
                Why not fake it? You'd be surprised at the amount of info "filled in" by imagination in historical scenarios - let alone mythical ones.
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                • #9
                  Just quickly and generically (IIRC):
                  N Greece:
                  N-E : Thracia: mountains with gold and wood
                  N-E : Thessalia: plains with wheat and horses
                  N-W : Epiros: mountains

                  C Greece:
                  Boiothia: plains with wheat
                  Phokis, Lokris: mountain and hills
                  Attike: mountain and hills (but Athens, too!)

                  S Greece(Peloponnesos):
                  Achaia: hills
                  Arcadia: mountains
                  Messenia: plains with wheat, mountains
                  Argolis: hills, plains
                  Lakonia: mountains
                  Elis: hill, plains

                  Hope could be useful, maybe...
                  Bye all!
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                  • #10
                    Elok I salute you!
                    Caliagudo is correct, bar forests & swamps.
                    Say, since I already have a heap of maps on the subject over here (in print) post your map and I'll fill in the details (from experience too, since I've been all over the map in person)
                    I am currently on leave in Athens, when I get back to that "remote" island I got posted to, I won't have access to many things, so please do so somewhat soon
                    Hi to you all, fellow Apolytoners!
                    "Whoever thinks freely, thinks well"
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                    "...êáé ô' üíïìá ôçò, ôï ãëõêý, ôï ëÝãáíå Áñåôïýóá..."
                    "I have a cunning plan..." (Baldric)

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                    • #11
                      Thank you VERY much, tanelorn! I hope this works for you. If you have any ideas for a special terrain to replace desert and glacier, do tell me. Maps are more fun with variety.

                      EDIT: Oh, and thanks to you too, Gagliaudo. Even if I didn't wind up using it, your info was definitely useful.
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                      • #12
                        Dl/ed. Why don't you use desert and glacier to signify special strategic resources like gold (in Thrace as mentioned and in Chalkidike)and silver (in Laurion south of Athens).
                        As for resources:
                        Goods like hard pottery clay, granite, marble etc are all over the place, agricultural resources like olive oil, wine, fruit, honey wool and milk likewise but good horses are only availlable in thessaly and maybe phokis. Grain had to be mostly imported from the black sea,Libya and Egypt, (along with slaves and spices). Some cycladic islands produced purple dye (at least in historic times). Copper came from Cyprus (hence the name Copper in Latin and English and the Chem-sign Cu) and further north in Europe. Zinc too. There are scattered iron deposits, in Thessaly and Milos(?) for example. I'll look this up.
                        "Whoever thinks freely, thinks well"
                        -Rigas Velestinlis (Ferraios)
                        "...êáé ô' üíïìá ôçò, ôï ãëõêý, ôï ëÝãáíå Áñåôïýóá..."
                        "I have a cunning plan..." (Baldric)

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                        • #13
                          I feel there ought to be some reference to Apolyton and MarkG.
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                          • #14
                            I'm hoping that he's not a mythological character though.

                            Maybe in the readme or on the front page. Or renaming future tech!

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                            • #15
                              Done. Its not perfect, but I think it is ok. Forest coverage is based on 2000 ad data, including open woodlands (pines and such). I think there ought to have been more forests 4000 years ago, especially in the northwest.
                              I took the liberty to add a few more islands, skerries etc.
                              The coastline was indeed different where major rivers flow, this is an approximation based on a map for 500bc coastlines. The most striking difference is in the lagoon in the Acheloos delta.
                              I also added some rivers and the isthmus of Corinth.
                              I'd add some swamps around river Acheron, to give some spooky feeling to the oracle of the dead (necromancy= decay?) for aesthetic reasons
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                              "Whoever thinks freely, thinks well"
                              -Rigas Velestinlis (Ferraios)
                              "...êáé ô' üíïìá ôçò, ôï ãëõêý, ôï ëÝãáíå Áñåôïýóá..."
                              "I have a cunning plan..." (Baldric)

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