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That should solve that issue. Now, I have to find someone who can design a good map of the Classical World, with enough room in the Atlantic for a decent size Atlantis. Any volunteers?
As well, is there anyone skilled at creating mythical creature units for the Test of Time? They're essential, but I've not seen any anywhere.
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One distinctly roman mythological entity is Ianos, the two-faced god of war (and peace). Also Romulus and Remus i guess could be used, and some trojan figures (although i doubt that the romans really were descendants of trojans)
Ehh, I still think it fights with the whole mystique of the game. You've got a bunch of civs with a heritage drawn from the real world...plus one that's just made up. But I don't have ToT anyway so I guess my opinion doesn't matter.
There is a great deal of evidence that indicates an advanced civ did exist many thousands of years ago...
the ancient civilizations were more advanced than you think, the greeks build the first steam engien sometime b.c. but it was no more than a motion machine, the romans had hot and cold running water, ect. ect. so there are so many possibilities to work on for a scenario,
I am not delusional! Now if you'll excuse me, i'm gonna go dance with the purple wombat who's playing show-tunes in my coffee cup!
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Yes, yes, there can be disputes about the history of technology, but that's not my point. There are theories about fantastic scientific achievements among most of the peoples mentioned in this thread. Stonehenge was a remarkable work of astronomy and engineering built by the predecessors of the Celts, Archimedes built all sorts of insane engines, and the Egyptians managed to get the pyramids almost perfectly level and build the bloody things pretty huge to boot.
But it can be pretty confidently stated that the Atlantis myth, at least, was nothing more than garbled accounts of Minoan Crete, which was not very different from Greece, just slightly earlier. The tale was blown totally out of proportion-it was "nine thousand years ago" instead of about nine hundred. It was also fancifully transported to the other side of the pillars of Hercules for some reason, and the island of Crete inflated into a massive rectangular continent from a decent-sized rectangular island. There's also no evidence of a landmass of that size ever existing in the Atlantic; there is, however, good evidence that the Minoan civilization was ruined at least in part by the volcanic eruption at Thera, which sank a fairly advanced early city into the Mediterranean while an accompanying earthquake levelled Knossos.
Atlantis never existed in the proper sense of the word. Even the muddled accounts in Plato aren't nearly rich enough to provide a background comparable to the rich heritages of Greece, Rome, Babylon, the Vikings, or Egypt. If you include Atlantis, it will literally have to be mostly modern invention, tacked on to some scant ancient exaggerations. It is not a culture with myths of its own, just a particularly compelling myth from another culture. Plus, given that Atlantis is a land of hyperbolic proportions more than anything else, in order to be "true" to your source you'll have to make it so that they predominate the scenario. It will no longer be a battle of ancient cultures and myths brought to life, just the FW Atlantis scenario with some myths given to the other guys too. I don't see the point, or indeed the charm.
This looks cool man. the problem is that while i was reading the posts and coming up with ideas, I would see them two posts later. So far the only idea I have for you is maybe having a seperate afterlife map for each civ: Valhalla for the Norse, Alyssian fields for the romans, and so on. Then when the heroes die they have a chance to fight their way back to the living. I know that that something like this was posted before but I think the should be civ specific.
Also is there anyway of keeping aerial units from moving across open water. I was just thinking that it would look okay to have a krakon or griffin going across the MED but an ogre would like funny in the baltic or north sea. Or am I mistaken in the helicopter nature of the monsters.
Are there going to be any quests? Maybe have some barb cities that are at the far ends of the earth in unexplored territory. Or can the A.I. see them and thus conquer them before you have a chance. I was kind of thinking you could have the single city and if conquered it would represent either the end of a great quest or contact with another unplayable civ and a cash bonus could represent opened trade routes. For the quest part you could receive knowledge or specialized units.
It could be the Negra Modelo, but I think this has gotten me generally excited.
Edit: I am sure that Alyssian fields is misspelled but I am sure you know what I mean. Also, did it belong to the Greeks, Romans, or both.
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I agree, Leonidas, you've got some good points and ideas there. I think making use of some previously little-known discoveries about the Ancient World certainly is worth considering.
As for the Underworld Jimmywax, I plan one map, but with a region or city for each civilization's heaven (which would have an immobile guardian to prevent enemies from capturing it), though the gate back to the lands of the living would be in a dangerous 'common' realm between the heavens, filled with monsters and other civilizations' units trying to get to the gate.
The Elyssian Fields is both Roman and Greek, actually.
As for quests, I'll have to work something out there. But your ideas are a good start.
And monsters traversing sea could be a problem. Can air units traverse impassable terrain. I could make sea impassable, then allow all but flying or aquatic monsters to pass it.
The guy who looked at the Sphinx and said it was thousands of years older than Egypt based on water damage has been proven wrong; he took way too much license with guesses. I heard as much in my archeo class last semester.
I repeat, I don't care about other ancient civilizations. I am aware that geological catastrophes happen, and have happened, many times. I am also aware that the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean shows no trace of ever having a big fat continent thrusting out of it. I know about the coelecanth, but fish, unlike gigantic islands, are mobile and elusive. If there were the remains of a massive rectangular landform covered with highly advanced cities down there, it stands to reason that they would stay put. Now look at the third link you provided me with, the one whose URL starts with "abc.se." It links to the exact theory I have given you, though it doesn't go into as much detail as some accounts I've read. The legend of Atlantis is pretty obviously based on distorted accounts of the Minoans. Like many tall tales, it has a basis in truth, but it's still made up.
Note that the eruption of Thera which destroyed the Minoans is mentioned on that site as the largest event of its kind on geological record. If Atlantis had been wrecked by an eruption, it would have to be about ten times more massive. Such an enormous eruption around the time of the end of the ice age would have had drastic repercussions for the environment, throwing the entire world's climate out of whack. Guess what, the biggest event from that period is the drought of the Younger Dryas, caused by the interruption of the Gulf Stream by melting waters running down from America. That was so bloody big it affected the climate halfway across the world. If Atlantis had existed its fall would have been a lot more drastic...but there's no evidence of it whatsoever. Thinking about it, the mere existence of Atlantis would have altered climate patterns around the world considerably, seeing as it would screw up the circulation of currents for the entire Atlantic. Nope, no trace of that either. Then there's the question of how a civilization more advanced than that of Plato's time came to emerge in the middle of the ice age while the rest of humanity was still hunting and gathering. Get the picture? There is no possible way such a thing could have existed.
And whether it did or not, it left behind no substantial body of myths to base a scenario on. It will by definition have to be made up, in contrast to the existing folklore of every other civ.
Originally posted by Leonidas
On this map Antartica is shown as it looks without being covered in ice. Only in the latter part of this century (using special techniques) were we able to see what the land looks like under all that ice. And it matches the land formation on this 1513 map.
And
One can only conclude that several thousand years ago (before the ice age or before a global catastrophe occurred) a great seafaring race mapped most of the globe.
Sorry, but if I read you well, you conclude that the original map had been drawn BEFORE the ice age!
But in that case, the level of the water would have been MUCH higher, and so the coast of Antartica would look radically different, wouldn't it??
This would provide extraordinary opportunities and a very good playability! 
I was kind of thinking you could have the single city and if conquered it would represent either the end of a great quest or contact with another unplayable civ and a cash bonus could represent opened trade routes. For the quest part you could receive knowledge or specialized units.
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