A Confession

[Exile]

Someone quite awhile back wanted to know how I managed to create such lucrative trade stuff in AoI.

The truth is . . . . . .

I have no idea.

I just took the map, set up the cities, and started testing. Turns out that, for whatever reasons, the distances involved and size of cities generated many stupendous payoffs.

If anyone else can figure it out . . . .

good luck.

[Harry Tuttle]

I think it's some sort of algebra equation.

City Size x Distance x Goods Multiplier = Cash

Don't ask me to test this though

[kobayashi]

Actually having the target in a different continent pays off a lot so if you made a map with different continents and then sealed off the water manually in the game, that would do the trick.

[AGRICOLA]

Go to the Civ2-Strategy forum at Poly and open Slow Thinker's topped thread "Great Library Index". The Great Library is an incredible treasure trove of information on most aspects of Civ2. It is well worth browsing it.

Work your way down to Caravans and Freights. There is detailed info on the very complex calculation of payoffs and trade routes.

[Case]

Originally posted by kobayashi
Actually having the target in a different continent pays off a lot so if you made a map with different continents and then sealed off the water manually in the game, that would do the trick.

Andrew Livings actually did this for one of the later versions of 'Crises of the New World Order'. It worked really well, and I've always been in awe of him for having done so - he must have rebuilt the scenario from scratch with a map created through the map editor!

[AGRICOLA]

Footnote in previous post by Case
My new Civ 2 scenario Appeasement and Agression has now been released!

Do I dare to hope that this is the version with the correct tech rate that your fans have been clamoring for?

[our_man]

In Colonies IV by John Ellis, which is also on a gigamap, you can also get fantastic bonuses for trade. I've got over 3,000 gold several times for a transatlantic cargo. Distance plays a big role in determining how lucrative the pay-off is.

[Heresson]

The best caravan revenue I've had was in my Komnenai scn, and was about 2000 gold.
I don't remember which scities are involved, but salt route between Constantinople and Syracuse can give You sth like 1700 gold too; but it's because of the "coast" terrain.

[curtsibling]

I got an near-unbelievable 3500+ gold once...

Can't recall the scen - Thought it could have been 1870!

[Heresson]

3500 gold... wow...
But I guess You could have even more with proper terrain settings

[Boco]

Just in case you didn't see the post in the next thread, here's Samson's Equation to Calculate Caravan Payoff's.

[Heresson]

Thank You.

[Case]

Originally posted by AGRICOLA
Do I dare to hope that this is the version with the correct tech rate that your fans have been clamoring for?

Not yet

[Eivind IV]

Re: A Confession

Originally posted by Exile
Someone quite awhile back wanted to know how I managed to create such lucrative trade stuff in AoI.

The truth is . . . . . .

I have no idea.

I just took the map, set up the cities, and started testing. Turns out that, for whatever reasons, the distances involved and size of cities generated many stupendous payoffs.

If anyone else can figure it out . . . .

good luck.

That 'someone' was me , and you told me it was a secret back then you cheeky bastard

Anywho, I'm not sure I can take those equations very seriously. You see, in Imp1870 the trade revenues are great, but when I used the exact same (only with minor modifications) map for Blitzkrieg, (and my cities had bigger trade production than the Imp cities has off the bat), I failed to get those lucrative bonuses. I have tested and tested, over and over again, and never even been close to your gold bonuses. I've tried almost everything, without any break through. I learned that the amount of techs count in, or it is some specific techs that boosts the gold bonus. I tried with the same commodity slot, the same commodity demand, with the same cities in BK as the ones I tested in imp, but nothing happened. So it's a bit weird, since we have the same distances and everything

It would revolutionize empire building scenarios if someone found out.

You must have done something, Exile So must Mr. Livings. The revenues are great in Crisis as well....It must be a government conspiracy

[Eivind IV]

Here's a test for you. It's not the same commidty slot, but the revenue differences are enourmous. Both saves have an activated freight outside New York, with Berlin as their home. They both have a commodity the city is demanding.