Us-Against-Them Free-for All

[SCG]

Originally posted by La Fayette
If someone is unhappy with the siting of Carthage, please load the game at 4000BC and explain to me what was to be done.

(until then I don't feel guilty at all )

not sure how others feel, but (opens up hutfinder and finds a 4 special site 1 space east of the starting settler's location), um, how about 1 space east of the starting location??? granted, 2 of those would have been fish, and the other 2 seem to have been hidden (at least 1 silk), but would make sence to me to be a good starting spot

[-Jrabbit]

Cheater!

[Bloody Monk]

But would you say "cheater" if hutfinder was available for a Mac??

Monk

[La Fayette]

The truth is shining: many people play with hutfinder, and when hutfinder tells them "here is a nice site", they settle there.
I play without (even if the author is Stu and Stu is my friend).
I have settled after 3 turns on a coastal site with 5 ocean including one whale, 12 grassland, 4 of them shielded, 3 plains and one jungle. I would never call that a poor site.

[Bloody Monk]

You are absolutely correct, LF; it is not a poor site. But that is not the question you posed. The response was in order, showing what COULD have been done.

When I was at University, before the days of pocket calculators, I thought the folk who used slip sticks were bending the rules, but alas, they were allowed.

Hutfinder, like the sliderule, is an effective tool.

All that is noise, though. The site will do nicely and the game will be fun. And all is well.

Monk

[SCG]

well put, monk and la fayette did choose an effective site, just not the one i might have (and the point is merely academic as we are playing from his start, not one i might have chosen ) i have no problem with a city with a whale, silk and lots of grass and ocean

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk

When I was at University, before the days of pocket calculators, I thought the folk who used slip sticks were bending the rules, but alas, they were allowed.

Most experienced players make use of hutfinder and other helper programs (I remember a post by Elephant where he listed at least 10 programs that he had in use in any game he played).

It is not at all my opinion that those players are bending the rules. I very much admire people like solo or Zenon who make such good use of those programs that they get results I couldn't dream to achieve.

But I have chosen, once and for all, to play the game mostly as it comes and sometimes with self-chosen limits, such as 'no city bribe'. This is a personal choice and I know perfectly well that it forbids me to win some kinds of contests.

I couldn't care less: this is a game after all, and my one and only objective is to have fun
(but I say 'no' to making a trip to The Institute if a helper program says I could have played otherwise ).

[La Fayette]

Monk,

May I mention this phrase from Lao Tseu:

" Quand l'homme sage montre la lune, l'imbécile regarde le doigt " ?

[Scouse Gits]

Just for the record - I was on my laptop sans HutFinder when I played my turns and made the comment - and for that matter spent many Settler turns mining a grassland square - just because I believed the site was worth the effort.
HutFinder is certainly of use, but like many here I find that its use in every day games can be both boring and counter productive.

Stu

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by La Fayette
Monk,

May I mention this phrase from Lao Tseu:

" Quand l'homme sage montre la lune, l'imbécile regarde le doigt " ?

Yes, my Friend, you may mention it. I would have preferred an accompanying translation, though, as I am an ugly American with very limited language abilities. Unlike Master Lao who apparently was also proficient in French; it is French is it not??

I can guess it compares a wise man to an idiot in the context of the moon?? But, maybe you will be so kind as to set me straight ... please.

Monk

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by La Fayette


Most experienced players make use of hutfinder and other helper programs ...

But I have chosen, once and for all, to play the game mostly as it comes and sometimes with self-chosen limits, such as 'no city bribe'. This is a personal choice ....

We who have played with you have long known this, and I have long admired this quality in you. Some folk must have their whisky with water, or soda, or ice; you prefer it straight up. Who can object to that??

Except in the very begining of the game, for this very objective, I do not use hutfinder extensively either. It is useful to verify my results in the area of finding "hidden special" tiles though.

Sometimes, I have quickly laid down the first city on the "one off tile" where two specials are visible, in the hope of getting a second city on the other two, and thus, getting a quick start toward Monarchy. Having the SSC further down the list makes it easier to get multiple tech discoveries later in the game, I think.

Monk

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by La Fayette
" Quand l'homme sage montre la lune, l'imbécile regarde le doigt " ?

" When the wise man points at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger "

(if the moon were 'better gameplay', the finger might be 'helper program' )

Lao Tseu was in fact Chinese AFAIK, but my knowledge of the Chinese language is not proficient enough to post the original.

[Bloody Monk]

Chinese he was and I am grateful you used FR over Chinese.

Mandarin is not easy for me. Thanks for the translation.

If I have locked in on the right Chinese fellow, the english is Lao-tse or Lao-tzu. Founder of Taoism, 604-531bc.

Monk

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
If I have locked in on the right Chinese fellow, the english is Lao-tse or Lao-tzu. Founder of Taoism, 604-531bc.

Exactly

... and you seem to have been able to borrow his long beard. Congratulations.

(I guess you don't need that much of his wisdom, since you have accumulated so much by means of civ2)

[-Jrabbit]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
But would you say "cheater" if hutfinder was available for a Mac??

Monk

I would use only in MP games, and only when competing against others who use it.