The Leaders of Civ2- Who are They Really?

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So you've played Civ2, and matched wits with these great leaders. Some are well know names, others obscure (or even in a few cases fake!). So, a quick history course for yall.

Note what kind of leaders represent civilizations that were defeated some time in history.

Also, the female rulers are an interesting and inaccurate mix.

Romans
Caeser- not sure if this refers to Julius or Augustus, both were generals, Julius founded Roman Empire while Augustus was first Emperor.
Livia- wife of Augustus, she did much ruling behind the scenes and when Augustus was out of the capital.

Babylonians
Hammurabi- King known for establishment of Hammurabi's Code, one of world's earliest known legal doctrines.
Ishtari- Babylonian goddess of war.

Germans
Frederick- King of Prussia who unified Germany in 17th century.
Maria Theresa- Empress of Austria during 17th century. Was actually Frederick's main rival.

Egyptians
Ramesses- there were actually 11 Ramesses, the most famous being the 2nd, a powerful ruler now remembered for the many monuments he had built in his honor, such as the temple at Abu Simbel, which was relocated for construction of Aswan High Dam.
Cleopatra- the last Egyptian pharoah, defeated by Romans led by Augustus.

Americans
Abe Lincoln- U.S. President during the Civil War.
Eleanor Roosevelt- wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt (US President during Depression and WWII) and social reformer.

Indians
Mohandas Gandhi- Leader of India's independence movement.
Indira Gandhi- Prime minister of India in 70's and 80's. She is not related to Mohandas, though like Mohandas, was also assassinated.

Russians
Lenin- Russian revolutionary who founded the Soviet Union.
Catherine the Great- 18th century Empress of Russia

Zulus
Shaka- 18th century warrior who unified much of southern Africa.
Shakala- This is a fictitious name

French
Louis XIV- A powerful and egotistical king from the 17th century, he built Versailles and married Maria Theresa.
Joan of Arc- 15th century French general who fought against English occupation

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Aztecs
Montezuma- 15th century emperor who was defeated by Spaniards.
Nazca- not a person, but a civilization. The Nazca live in Peru the first half of the first millenium.

Chinese
Mao Tse Tung- Chinese revolutionary who founded the People's Republic of China
Wu Zhao- 7th century Empress, only official female ruler in China's history.

English
Henry VIII- 16th century king known for his many marriages and divorces
Elizabeth I- Succeeded Henry VIII, she led England in its rise to a major naval power.

Greeks
Alexander- General who conquered Persia and other parts of the Middle East.
Hippolyta- One of the queens of the Amazons, mentioned in numerous myths.

Celts
Cunobelin- A tribal leader whose story inspired Shakespeare's "Cymbeline"
Boadicea- General who organized Celts in a revolt against Roman occupation.

Mongols
Genghis Khan- General who conquered large parts of Asia.
Bortei- Wife of Genghis Khan

Japanese
Tokugawa- 17th century shogun who unified Japan
Ameterasu- Goddess of the Sun

Vikings
Canute- 11th century Viking general who expanded empire over much of Northern Europe. Later established himself as king of England
Gunnhild- wife of Eric Bloodaxe, 10th century Viking king predating Eric the Red

Spaniards
Philip II- 16th century king. His Spanish Armada was defeated by the English.
Isabella- 15th century queen. She married Ferdinand of Portugal, together they began the unification of the remainder of Spain.

Persians
Xerxes- 5th century emperor whose fleet was defeated by the Greeks at Salamis.
Scheherezade- the storyteller and narrator from The Arabian Nights.

Carthaginians
Hannibal- General who fought and was eventually defeated by the Romans.
Dido- Founder of Carthage. After the Phoenician capital of Tyre was conquered she led the Phoenicians to build a new capital at Carthage.

Sioux
Sitting Bull- General and chief who united numerous tribes against U.S. invasion in late 19th Century. Eventually defeated and imprisoned.
Sacajawea- member of Shoshone tribe. Guided Lewis and Clark in their exploration of North America in the early 19th century.

[DarkCloud]

The bust is Julius Caesar's not Augustus's

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And now that you mentioned it, I never before realized that Sacajawea was such an idiotic choice for a Civ II leader

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And I never realized that Schnezzerade was such a bad choice for the Persians I mean, couldn't Firaxis have at least have read Gore Vidal's great novel "Creation" and stolen the name of one of the women from there!

[Mr. President]

If Civilization had anything connected to Gore Vidal in it I wouldn't play it.

Good list Smiley!

[DarkCloud]

What do you have against Gore Vidal?

[Bloody Monk]

Perhaps Gore Vidal could be subbed for the female Persian leader. A more aggressive storyteller.

Great list, Smiley.

Monk

[Elephant]

I don't think Joan of Arc was ever formally made a "general"; seems like she just led and they followed because the Dauphin said so... Same for Boadicea.

Mohandas Gandhi was the primary inspiration for the non-violent wing of the independence movement; there were a number of others, notably Nehru, who were more significant in terms of making it happen or leading India through the transition.

Also, Catherine the Great was really German (actually, Prussian, from an area now part of Poland). She overthrew her Russian husband Peter III and ruled much more effectively.

My guess for Scheherezade and Sacajawea was they couldn't find any other women's names, so went with "significant female" instead.

The Babylonians are the most perfectionistic and least aggressive civ; it's really ironic to find out Ishtari is the Goddess of War.

[POTUS]

Joan of Arc was the commander of the French Army. Today, she would be a general. I am not sure what she was considered then?
I think you should consider the generals, military leaders.

[DarkCloud]

Perhaps Gore Vidal could be subbed for the female Persian leader. A more aggressive storyteller

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POTUS- she wasn't the commander of the ENTIRE french army

[Elephant]

I was just pointing out there is a big difference between a trained and appointed general and a military neophyte put in charge of complex military affairs. Case in point: Hitler...

[POTUS]

I just meant that she commanded parts of the army, not the entire thing.

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Next up: analysis of just who the heck are those "great leaders" you get in Civ 3...or should I do something on the cities instead?

[duke o' york]

Are your googling skills not quite up to scratch young padawan?

I think that the ancient cities would be interesting, because there can't be that many people here who don't know where Lyon (without an S, thank you!!!), Philly, Barcelona or Cologne are, but I'd be interested in learning about Teotihuacan (usual Aztec city - sp? after it ) and the other ancient and Sioux cities.

[Bloody Monk]

Post the Civ3 stuff somewhere else, please; unless you can make up some Civ2 hook for the post.

Monk

[rah]

Agreed.