Ozzy's Classical Eurodip: storythread

[deity]

Originally posted by Makeo

The Egyptian government is in full support of the Carthaginians struggle to reclaim land rightfully theirs. The aggressive resettlement program adopted by the Spanish must be halted immediately and North African land now in Spanish hands returned to the Carthaginians.

Makeozacoatl.

Hannibal is greatly heartened by this support, my friend.

I do not know if a peaceful solution can be found but the bottom line for the Carthaginians (or Chartagian as the Romans refer to us...) is that all land in the Northern African sector belongs to us. A map may be provided soon. It is recognised that the Spanish have expended resources in establishing a city in NW Africa so some type of deal is possible but the city must be handed to Carthaginian control.

Anything our allies can do to bring about a peaceful resolution to this issue is warmly welcomed.

[Frank Johnson]

(Actually my post before was a rip of final fantasy and fire emblem mainly, it may have had the tune of LotR, but hey I'm the gauls.)

As far as Spainish settlement of Northern Africa, I see a common problem. Gaul has meet neighbors as well, in lands that could be settled by our own people. Lines are demanded by the foreigners, and beyond which those lines are fertiles feilds which we are to be denied.

We clearly can't support wars for the use of such tactics. If that were the case, Gual would be at war with Spain, Rome, and perhaps Greece. They place cities on our borders and behind which lie lands that we desire. Is it not the same for you? Different perhaps in the details, the qualms of a small stretch of sea, allies with grudes held against and axes to grind, but no will to take directly to arms. Such support may urge some to war.

I see a double standard being held against Spain. Either that, or I should go kick some butt as well. Your opinions on the subject are welcome.

[deity]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
As far as Spainish settlement of Northern Africa, I see a common problem. Gaul has meet neighbors as well, in lands that could be settled by our own people. Lines are demanded by the foreigners, and beyond which those lines are fertiles feilds which we are to be denied.

We clearly can't support wars for the use of such tactics. If that were the case, Gual would be at war with Spain, Rome, and perhaps Greece. They place cities on our borders and behind which lie lands that we desire. Is it not the same for you? Different perhaps in the details, the qualms of a small stretch of sea, allies with grudes held against and axes to grind, but no will to take directly to arms. Such support may urge some to war.

I see a double standard being held against Spain. Either that, or I should go kick some butt as well. Your opinions on the subject are welcome.

I take your point but it hardly seems a reasonable analysis of the situation, particularly given the origins of each civilisation. It seems as though Gaullic thinking is somewhat swayed... you, with your lush river lands and logical borders with Spain and Rome. Spain with lush lands not fully developed.

But, Hannibal can see that continuing this argument would be futile.

The Gauls and Babylonians seem to simply have a position of opposing war; rather than attempting to apply any diplomatic pressure at all on Spain to assist their less well off Carthaginian neighbours. The Gauls position is non sympathetic and it is tough luck for the Carts where the borders fall.

We await Greek opinion on the matter.

[atawa]

Originally posted by Makeo
A Missive from King Makeozacoatl to Consul Hadrianus on behalf of the Egyptian trade consortium.

Consul Hadrianus, I feel it would be mutually beneficial to our respective countries and citizens if a trade agreement can be reached. My merchant class is clamouring for trade rights to Sardinae and the market places of Cyprus are crying out for goods. Perhaps we can leave it to our respecitve economic advisors to hammer out the details as the intricate details that seem to fascinate them, frankly, bore me.

Makeozacoatl.

Dear King Makeozacoatl,

We will grant full traderights into Sardiniae for our Egyptian friends, no tax will be collected.

Roman merchants are are proclaiming an interest in sending caravans to Cyprus but it will take a while before they will arive. We would like to ask a similar deal be granted for Roman merchants sailing for Cyprus.

Kind Regards
Hadrianus.

Consul of Rome.

[atawa]

Originally posted by deity


Hannibal is greatly heartened by this support, my friend.

I do not know if a peaceful solution can be found but the bottom line for the Carthaginians (or Chartagian as the Romans refer to us...) is that all land in the Northern African sector belongs to us. A map may be provided soon. It is recognised that the Spanish have expended resources in establishing a city in NW Africa so some type of deal is possible but the city must be handed to Carthaginian control.

Anything our allies can do to bring about a peaceful resolution to this issue is warmly welcomed.

Off course we would like to assist our allies in their time of need

We are willing to forego our claims to reparations and end the naval blockade against Spanish ships if a peacefull agreement can be reached.
This will also mean that we will grant Spain trading rights to Sardiniae at least untill foreign schollars stop flocking to Pisae.

[atawa]

Originally posted by Frank Johnson
As far as Spainish settlement of Northern Africa, I see a common problem. Gaul has meet neighbors as well, in lands that could be settled by our own people. Lines are demanded by the foreigners, and beyond which those lines are fertiles feilds which we are to be denied.

We clearly can't support wars for the use of such tactics. If that were the case, Gual would be at war with Spain, Rome, and perhaps Greece. They place cities on our borders and behind which lie lands that we desire. Is it not the same for you? Different perhaps in the details, the qualms of a small stretch of sea, allies with grudes held against and axes to grind, but no will to take directly to arms. Such support may urge some to war.

I see a double standard being held against Spain. Either that, or I should go kick some butt as well. Your opinions on the subject are welcome.

Dear Gaulic leader,

We apreciate your concerns about your lands running out, the Roman people are experiencing similar problems with Guals in the west,
Greeks advancing in the east and the seas to our south.

As you can see on your maps Roma major has few resources or rivers and is mainly made up of mountains and hills with barren seas witch provide little food for our fishermen. If we look to the Gaulic maps their homelands seem to be filled with great rivers with lush grasslands at their banks and planty of forrests for hunting and building materials.

In this light we feel that the teritory north of Roma major rightfully belongs to the Roman republic and let us remind our Gaulic friends that this border was decided in mutual agreement between the Gaulic and Roman republics in the threaty of Bern.

But we might have an idea of how our Gaulic friends can satisfy their citizens seemingly unsatiable thirst for land:

Our scouts have found a mountainrange in the east and travellers tell of far-stretched grasslands and rivers running from the slopes untill the eastern end of the world.
We suggest our Gaul friends contact the Greeks and Babylonians who seem to have more knowledge about these lands.

We would be willing to let a band of Gaul settlers cross our lands in search of new lands providing any settlements would be build east of the mountainrange.

Let us make it clear that Rome has no interests in these lands but feel they should be shared by the country's in this worlds with the smallest arible lands.

Kind Regards.
Hadrianus

Consul of the Roman republic.

[OzzyKP]

Shucks, the Greeks don't have Cypress? Oh well.

[Dylan Baker]

On the Egyptian Compromise

A personal note from Lord Geznikor Whompbukket, recently promoted to Lead Foreign Advisor of Babylon, to the Egyptians:

Lord Makeozacoatl,

I am sorry that we were unable to meet in person. The magnanimous Grottencrotch was, to his chagrin, called away at the last minute on personal business of considerable importance. As we speak, he is abroad in Athens partitioning the territories around the Caspian and Black seas with our just allies, the Greeks. Have you met the Greek ruler? What a character! Fantastic at card tricks, and he makes the best boullabaise in the world!

Grottencrotch has asked me to deliver his thanks for your grand proposal. Although the eastern bank is little more than a poorly fertilized sandbox, I assure you the land will be used to ensure peace and prosperity for both our peoples. Already, two settlements are in place, with plans for 2 more by the mellenium.

His Lordship has also authorized me to open talks regarding potential trade routes between our peoples.

Let's have dinner next week!

Yours,

Geznikor Whompbukket
Office of Foreign Affairs

[deity]

Would it be possible for the Babs (and possibly the Romans) to post maps of their partitioning of unclaimed worlds?

[Dylan Baker]

Originally posted by deity
Would it be possible for the Babs (and possibly the Romans) to post maps of their partitioning of unclaimed worlds?

News of our explorer's discoveries is en route to Babylon and Athens. Until it arrives, there is little that I can do for the public record.

[Dylan Baker]

On the Carthaginian/Spanish Crisis

A personal note from Lord Grottencrotch to Hannibal

My dearest Hannibal,

I am sorry that this letter is so long in reaching you. I am currently abroad in Athens negotiating territorial issues with Ozzy, great ruler of Greece. Twice now I have sent sailors southwest in search of Carthage, and twice ships have been lost at sea. Rumors abound that the unfortunate seamen have been eaten by a giant squid!

But to business. I am quite concerned with the recent events in northwest Africa. Yes, the Spanish have been aggressive in their acquisition of territory, this is beyond dispute. What is also beyond dispute is that you have piggy-bagged your demands for a withdrawal on the heels of an espionage incident that did not involve your civilization. This strikes me as opportunistic, nothing more.

Hannibal, in many ways, geopolitics simply the art of compromise. I am sure, after 3000 years, you have learned this as well as I. Yet, I see no compromise on the table. I see panicked letters on my desk, parchment filled with threats and ultimatums. Yes, the words "peaceful" and "diplomatic" grace their pages, but peace and diplomacy, again, assume compromise. What are you offering?

You are wise and experienced beyond words, a great ruler of a thriving people. Now is the time to act like it.

I remain very truly yours,

Grottencrotch

[deity]

Re: On the Carthaginian/Spanish Crisis

Originally posted by Dylan Baker
A personal note from Lord Grottencrotch to Hannibal

My dearest Hannibal,

I am sorry that this letter is so long in reaching you. I am currently abroad in Athens negotiating territorial issues with Ozzy, great ruler of Greece. Twice now I have sent sailors southwest in search of Carthage, and twice ships have been lost at sea. Rumors abound that the unfortunate seamen have been eaten by a giant squid!

But to business. I am quite concerned with the recent events in northwest Africa. Yes, the Spanish have been aggressive in their acquisition of territory, this is beyond dispute. What is also beyond dispute is that you have piggy-bagged your demands for a withdrawal on the heels of an espionage incident that did not involve your civilization. This strikes me as opportunistic, nothing more.

Hannibal, in many ways, geopolitics simply the art of compromise. I am sure, after 3000 years, you have learned this as well as I. Yet, I see no compromise on the table. I see panicked letters on my desk, parchment filled with threats and ultimatums. Yes, the words "peaceful" and "diplomatic" grace their pages, but peace and diplomacy, again, assume compromise. What are you offering?

You are wise and experienced beyond words, a great ruler of a thriving people. Now is the time to act like it.

I remain very truly yours,

Grottencrotch

Reply to Lord Grottencrotch:

No one has heard from the Spanish as yet. If you could bring them to the negotiating table maybe a deal can be worked out?

Already the Romans and Egyptians have stated that NW Africa should be in Carthaginian hands and the Romans have offerred a deal already that is linked to the espionage incident, if you'd care to review your diplomatic papers?

And the Carthaginians are on public notice as saying, "It is recognised that the Spanish have expended resources in establishing a city in NW Africa so some type of deal is possible but the city must be handed to Carthaginian control."

Thanking you for your efforts Grottencrotch.

We look forward to Emperor Zylka's involvement in diplomacy...

[Zylka]

~De Espana, 575ad~

To the fearsome and respected leader of the grandé Roman Empire,

Young Hadrianus; I have just recently come home to much of this international clash so seemingly seamed by our own Spanish swoop. I shan't bore you too much with the details of my leave in which there has been lack of needed reply; but can only ask now your forgiveness for such tardiness and the aforementioned dissapearence of your top scholar Maximus Pompeius.

Yet in truth - I must sadly explain that your brilliant scientist has actually defected to Spain and now hides somewhere in the ghettos of Madrid; prompted only by insanity to remain amongst those shadows. I must assure you that he is currently being sought out by only the best of our Pike Poliza internal affairs forces.

In any case, it seems that while en routine border scout/patrol, a small band of our own men were approached by the research cabinet of Maximus himself; each one as deathly intoxicated as their leader by drink we simply can not arrive at in estimation. They did carry much of a liquid element known only as "la plata tonto" by Ibizan natives.

Their request to stay in our lands was approved by a man who acted well above his authority (one who has been promptly discharged) and a sort of reperation is being constructed beyond what you have asked. We will have dear Maximus found and returned near immediately, along with our own small group of bilingual scholars for permanent residence in Rome. In any case, as the search continues - here is sadly all I can provide for contact with Maxiums; dropped off anonymously at the wrong consolate but included here:

Dear Consul Hadrianas, please excuse me absence, but the lab men and I had tired dearly of that metal stuffs we researched an' played around with and decided on a sunny Spanish beach vacation! These very nice Spanish soldier fellows promise us the vacation we gots too - even bagged us up and carried us to thar beach in leather sacks, where we had wonderful conversation on the military work we did for those Archer divisions. Really nice young men I must reitorate, but I wish they'd stop shifting and turning into Bruscaddo ham before fornicating my Mums on top o' tha great library! Where are ye, Mumsy - I'm on an int'l letter!

Oh but don't worry, we brought some of the stuffs with us to finish up the study maybe in the sun, BUT WE REALLY WANT YOU TO COME ALONG! People keep trying to steal me magic hats so fors now stay here, but not tell where is. They know it and find me then!

Just says that all is lovely, Spain is beautiful with lots of smiling, helpful (yet HAT STEALING) people, I have tons of open fields to chase rabbits & mice in... it's almost like I've truly gone to scholar heaven! That's woy yew should come to!!

Sigh.. In any case, my dearest apolgies for your having to go through reading that. Hearing of you as a stern military man of realistic opinion very much as myself - I must say; what a shame.

So.. I am in a week en route to Roma immediately for discussion of your reimburssment for this embarrassing little mishap. I hope you enjoy the world's finest merlot and "entertainment" entourages of young hispanic women.

Yet for now I move on to addressing the last issue of importance in today's pile; that of an apparent land help claim from our wonderful Gaullic neighbours alike. Since my main objective in the next few work months is to work towards a sort of "Triangle of the Romances" Economic/Science relationship; I would ask your consideration in what we can do to help strengthen The Gaulls position for growth in the next while.

Oh, correct. There's also apparently a Carthaginian dispute regarding a sort of contract they had made up and signed on their own to deal with.. my apologies if this little itch on the back holds my arrival up a few days. I'm really quite good at scrathing them in general, but only when I can reach - you know?

Do not hesitate to contact me on private express mail.
General Zylka

[Jon Miller]

this seems cool

I haven't played CIv2 iona while

Jon Miller

[atawa]

Originally posted by Zylka
~De Espana, 575ad~

To the fearsome and respected leader of the grandé Roman Empire,

Young Hadrianus; I have just recently come home to much of this international clash so seemingly seamed by our own Spanish swoop. I shan't bore you too much with the details of my leave in which there has been lack of needed reply; but can only ask now your forgiveness for such tardiness and the aforementioned dissapearence of your top scholar Maximus Pompeius.

Yet in truth - I must sadly explain that your brilliant scientist has actually defected to Spain and now hides somewhere in the ghettos of Madrid; prompted only by insanity to remain amongst those shadows. I must assure you that he is currently being sought out by only the best of our Pike Poliza internal affairs forces.

In any case, it seems that while en routine border scout/patrol, a small band of our own men were approached by the research cabinet of Maximus himself; each one as deathly intoxicated as their leader by drink we simply can not arrive at in estimation. They did carry much of a liquid element known only as "la plata tonto" by Ibizan natives.

Their request to stay in our lands was approved by a man who acted well above his authority (one who has been promptly discharged) and a sort of reperation is being constructed beyond what you have asked. We will have dear Maximus found and returned near immediately, along with our own small group of bilingual scholars for permanent residence in Rome. In any case, as the search continues - here is sadly all I can provide for contact with Maxiums; dropped off anonymously at the wrong consolate but included here:

[b][i]Dear Consul Hadrianas, please excuse me absence, but the lab men and I had tired dearly of that metal stuffs we researched an' played around with and decided on a sunny Spanish beach vacation! These very nice Spanish soldier fellows promise us the vacation we gots too - even bagged us up and carried us to thar beach in leather sacks, where we had wonderful conversation on the military work we did for those Archer divisions. Really nice young men I must reitorate, but I wish they'd stop shifting and turning into Bruscaddo ham before fornicating my Mums on top o' tha great library! Where are ye, Mumsy - I'm on an int'l letter!

Oh but don't worry, we brought some of the stuffs with us to finish up the study maybe in the sun, BUT WE REALLY WANT YOU TO COME ALONG! People keep trying to steal me magic hats so fors now stay here, but not tell where is. They know it and find me then!

Just says that all is lovely, Spain is beautiful with lots of smiling, helpful (yet HAT STEALING) people, I have tons of open fields to chase rabbits & mice in... it's almost like I've truly gone to scholar heaven! That's woy yew should come to!! [i][b]

I suggest General Zylka takes a good look at his own inteligence agencies as these men were clearly drugged by Spanish infiltrators and lured into Spain with promisses of girls, drugs and non-stop party's.
We checked this letter with family and close friends of Maximus Pompeius and they all agreed these were not his words but the words of an imposter, either that or Maximus has gone completely insain.

Sigh.. In any case, my dearest apolgies for your having to go through reading that. Hearing of you as a stern military man of realistic opinion very much as myself - I must say; what a shame.

So.. I am in a week en route to Roma immediately for discussion of your reimburssment for this embarrassing little mishap. I hope you enjoy the world's finest merlot and "entertainment" entourages of young hispanic women.

We await your arivel to hear your proposal.
Please make sure you arive by land though as we cannot get the message to our fleet commanders in time to let you pass so they will follow previous orders......

Yet for now I move on to addressing the last issue of importance in today's pile; that of an apparent land help claim from our wonderful Gaullic neighbours alike. Since my main objective in the next few work months is to work towards a sort of "Triangle of the Romances" Economic/Science relationship; I would ask your consideration in what we can do to help strengthen The Gaulls position for growth in the next while.

This is mainly an internal Gaulic issue. travellers report of small towns where the inhabitants are in a state of constant strife with each other, fights braking out each they, most of them related to the freshness of fish
The Gauls have plenty of arible lands but only a small part of this is actualy used, they should be able to accomedate 5-10 times their current inhabitants.
But perhaps the Spanish can give them controll of the city of Marsella to give them better access to the Mediteranian seas.

We await your arivel and proposals as we believe the Spanish hold the key to peace and coöperation in the western Maditeranian.

Hadrianus.
Consul of Rome.